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Conflict in the Middle East

To be horrified re the 2000+ children killed in Gaza.

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SoShallINever · 24/10/2023 22:57

The news tonight was unbearable.
I am sickened that the West is not calling for a ceasefire or some restraint.
I found out today that Gaza is almost exactly the same size as the small Hebridean island of Jura. But whereas Jura has a few hundred residents, Gaza has 2.4 million packed in. You couldn't throw a stone into Gaza without it hitting someone, never mind a missile.
The children of Gaza are not terrorists and I wish Israel would stop.

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FrankieStein403 · 29/10/2023 13:17

Hamas are a big problem so what is the solution?

The consensus seems to be that Hamas are inhuman.

Does this mean they are a genetic subspecies? Can we identify them from a DNA test? If so, great - test the population and isolate them.

If not then presumably they are not born inhuman - perhaps look at what made them inhuman and address that?

TheLeavesAreTurningBrown · 29/10/2023 13:18

They're controlled by religion first, then hammas and isreal controls them because of hammas.

Dinkydaisy1 · 29/10/2023 13:30

An Excellent post by Dr Gabor Mate, a holocaust survivor, uploaded on his Instagram today. He also cites some good sources to read.

If you don't want to click on a link, you can go directly to his page

www.instagram.com/reel/Cy9nFkoPBbL/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Divinespark · 29/10/2023 14:06

localnotail · 29/10/2023 12:41

People in Gaza are hostages of Hamas, and either support their views or have to be seen supporting it to stay alive.

What really shocks me is that no one at the pro-Palestinian marches in the West seem to be protesting against Hamas. This whole issue is completely ignored, and, very often, it seems that pro-Palestine supporters are actually pro-Hamas, and see them as some sort of a righteous liberators and not horrific backward terrorists they are. Why there are no calls to Hamas ceasefire and return of the hostages?

You have no idea what your talking about, and should be reported for insinuating that protests are that, and not the killing and massacre of 1000'a of innocent souls. Not seen anyone support hamas out of 100.000 people.

SoShallINever · 29/10/2023 23:34

EnoughIsay · 28/10/2023 03:51

I am so very sad for you @feralunderclass

May they rest in peace.

I have no words, other than I am so sorry, and so angry that the world is so horrible at the moment.

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notsoready4school · 29/10/2023 23:55

Weonlyhavealoanofit · 25/10/2023 10:27

Why am I feeling very pessimistic and genuinely fearful for the next generation?

I hate the divisiveness of this conflict, it is a human rights issue and it started years before the dreadful murders of the 6/7 October. Before that weekend, one population has been dispossessed of its lands, and moved either into miserably overcrowded ‘refugee camps’ or marooned into a ghetto [I don't believe that any other word is suitable] and subject to a 16 year blockade which has reduced a stateless population to utter misery, and without hope, and without any real support in the wider world. Who was posting about these things before the 6th October? The silence was deafening. International Law has been ignored at every turn and the world’s only super power gives unilaterally allegiance and arms to Israel. If one takes the words Israeli and Palestinian out of the equation and substitute them for Nation A and Nation B people are horrified at the sufferings of Nation B notwithstanding the history of racism perpetrated against Nation A. The USA even blocked a proposal that their be a ‘cessation of fighting’ at the UN. Where is our humanity?

The West through the British Mandate and through the machinations of the UN helped create Israel as a way of dealing with its guilt over centuries of Western anti semitism and the refugees created by Nazism, I think the dream of a nation where Jews could live free from racism and as a beacon to other nations has failed. How many of us as young people wanted to visit Israel and work in a kibbutz, I know I did, it was a very idealistic society but over time the idealism seems to have been replaced with a very violent and racist underbelly, and its racism is directed at Arabs, be they Christian or Muslim. Now it seems to be about a land grab where only people claiming Jewish ancestry have any rights. Yes it will tolerate Western holidaymakers especially of the evangelical Christian persuasion, but it will not tolerate any Arabs living on the land. Netanyahu and his present cabinet contain some truly appalling people, who are trying to destroy Israeli democracy. A political settlement is the only way peace will be established. It requires all the protagonists to negotiate. It requires compromise and a respect for international law. It requires political will, it will require the USA to demand certain things of Israel and I cant see that happening anytime soon.

We are heading to an abyss over the Middle East and the so called ‘Muslim world’. We have the Saudis and their genocidal war in Yemen, which should be a cause of immense public outrage, but as usual we are not bothered about this genocide. Paraphrasing Trump after the murder of Jamal Khasoggi, ‘we do too much business with these guys to do anything’. We have the Saudis and their hands on the distribution and price of oil. We have the Saudis and their policy of creating and funding extremism elsewhere in the world. Accepting Saudi money seems to lead to lower standards in public life. When violent oppressive regimes control the purse strings, people seem to lose sight of right and wrong, they compromise their beliefs they start to tolerate what should not be tolerated.

The states surrounding Israel: Egypt, Lebanon and Jordan cannot cope with any more refugees. They are poor nations and fractured societies where national unity is very fragile. We have the multiple disasters of the Bush/Blair wars in Iraq and Libya which have reduced these states to poverty and rampant sectarianism, we have the civil war raging in Syria and we have been trying for decades to isolate and destroy Iran. A nation were the West’s meddling in the 50s staged a coup and brought down a moderate and democratically elected government headed by Mosaddegh for the sole purpose of protecting British petroleum and US oil companies. His government was replaced by the murderous regime of the Shah which in turn helped create the extremism of the Ayatollah Khomeini.

We have a presidential election in the States being fought by lets face it 2 elderly man who are engaged in the fight for the ‘American soul’….where senators no longer represent the people because they have been bought and paid for by the sectional interests beloved of oligarchs and are, with 1 or 2 exceptions representatives of the fabulously rich, a large part of which is made up of the arms industry, pharmaceutical industry, banking, media and the technology industry.

Ukraine and Russia seem to be set for a long slow painful war that may last years, and China is always the sleeping giant, the West having embraced the philosophy of ‘globalisation’. A policy which made a new class of capitalist , ‘the oligarch’ , people who almost overnight are richer than nation states and wield immense and unfettered power. Globalisation has led to the deindustrialisation of the West and is now leading to a revival of right wing parties, who are opposed to non white immigration and very assertive about patriotism. India appears to be set on a course of extreme Hindu nationalism and is virulently anti Muslim, and Brazil home to the Amazon has a significant population still supportive of Bolsonaro and his environmental thuggery. AND looming over the entire planet is the disaster known as climate change, which will radically alter WHERE, HOW and IF the human race can live.

Your post has made me cry. It feels just so hopeless.

StopReligiousDivides · 30/10/2023 00:21

localnotail · 29/10/2023 12:41

People in Gaza are hostages of Hamas, and either support their views or have to be seen supporting it to stay alive.

What really shocks me is that no one at the pro-Palestinian marches in the West seem to be protesting against Hamas. This whole issue is completely ignored, and, very often, it seems that pro-Palestine supporters are actually pro-Hamas, and see them as some sort of a righteous liberators and not horrific backward terrorists they are. Why there are no calls to Hamas ceasefire and return of the hostages?

I have seen people interviewed on television that say Hamas should be forced to return hostages, although no one seems to be able to say how this “force” should be applied, or even what this “force” is!

I am pro-everyone’s right to life and anti-all terrorists. However, the caveat to everyone’s right to life is that I’m also anti-genocide.

I feel it’s very naïve of people to say that if the hostages are returned then Israel (use this in terms of the government, not the Jewish people) will stop the onslaught. I don’t think they will. Because no countries are saying “stop” and it almost seems as if it’s become “how long can we continue to do this, and how far can we go”.

No one in their right mind can say Hamas was right. They terrorised people. But so too are Israel now terrorising people. Negotiation is needed and both sides need to come to the table. I do believe it would help if Israel were seen to be doing the right thing in terms of withdrawing settlers, but this is a 70+ year conflict that won’t be resolved anytime soon.

Efacsen · 30/10/2023 06:12

Another 33 aid trucks were allowed to pass into Gaza from Egypt on Sunday, according to a spokesperson at the Rafah crossing. It is the largest number of aid trucks to cross in a day since the conflict began, but humanitarian workers have told the Associated Press that the assistance still falls desperately short of what’s needed

Hopefully this isn't just the backlog from the previous 3 days when very little was delivered and is a new daily amount

Efacsen · 30/10/2023 19:23

Efacsen · 30/10/2023 06:12

Another 33 aid trucks were allowed to pass into Gaza from Egypt on Sunday, according to a spokesperson at the Rafah crossing. It is the largest number of aid trucks to cross in a day since the conflict began, but humanitarian workers have told the Associated Press that the assistance still falls desperately short of what’s needed

Hopefully this isn't just the backlog from the previous 3 days when very little was delivered and is a new daily amount

24 aid lorries today

Hmm

Parkingt111 · 30/10/2023 19:29

Efacsen · 30/10/2023 06:12

Another 33 aid trucks were allowed to pass into Gaza from Egypt on Sunday, according to a spokesperson at the Rafah crossing. It is the largest number of aid trucks to cross in a day since the conflict began, but humanitarian workers have told the Associated Press that the assistance still falls desperately short of what’s needed

Hopefully this isn't just the backlog from the previous 3 days when very little was delivered and is a new daily amount

I'm glad to see more aid has come in but it really is just a drop in the ocean compared to what is needed
There are many lorries of aid still waiting at the border to be let in

Efacsen · 30/10/2023 19:49

@Parkingt111 yeah was hoping to see it being in the 30s again today - after IDF promised an increase in aid to encourage more movement south Hmm
We'll see it's early days

All that aid just sitting in the desert and also teams of medics twiddling their thumbs whilst 5-10miles away people suffer so much

Toothyfruity · 30/10/2023 19:51

The cruelty of the Israelis is something to behold. Withholding aid while they kill thousands of children. It's beyond comprehension.

Efacsen · 30/10/2023 19:58

Toothyfruity · 30/10/2023 19:51

The cruelty of the Israelis is something to behold. Withholding aid while they kill thousands of children. It's beyond comprehension.

RSPCA would allow you to treat a dog like that - and they're pretty useless

DisquietintheRanks · 30/10/2023 22:19

Efacsen · 30/10/2023 19:58

RSPCA would allow you to treat a dog like that - and they're pretty useless

You get that the Palestinians are people right? Humans like us, not animals .

Efacsen · 30/10/2023 22:27

DisquietintheRanks · 30/10/2023 22:19

You get that the Palestinians are people right? Humans like us, not animals .

Huh?

Despite the obvious typo thought it was clear I was decrying how badly the Gazans are being treated?

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