To think it’s turning into genocide in real time part 2

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First thread here but it’s full
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4918938-to-think-its-turning-into-genocide-in-real-time?page=1

Medical Aid to Palestine posted this thread on facebook describing the scenes in Gaza as being like the last days of humanity with one of their staff members having to search through piles of bodies to find his 13 year old niece https://www.facebook.com/100064712829372/posts/pfbid028yxpzimtA3apA6CSs8dEhJBd16rYUQR6QjFidEpwRCZzPVYoeJezX8nDrtZP2UZRl/?app=fbl

The main stream press aren’t really addressing the horror of what is happening (bar maybe Channel 4 news and Al Jazeera) - it’s a sanitised version.

As I said in the original thread, there has been absolute horror on both sides but the Israeli government are inflicting collective punishment on the people of Gaza, which is a war crime under international law.

I still feel we are watching genocide in real time.

To think it’s turning into genocide in real time part 2
a few days ago I wrote that I didn’t think the threshold for true genocide had been reached. Today I think that line has probably been crossed, all fully supported by Biden and Sunak.

Now I think that Israel is creating its future for the next 50 years. They are creating a young generation who have lost their families, their homes, everything. What happens when a whole nation has no hope and no future? There will never be peace in that region. Guterres was spot on, the seeds of this conflict were sown 50 years ago.

The West has no moral standing to talk about war crimes and international law any more. If they ever did. Brown lives are worth nothing.

I wonder what Netanyahu's brother would think of the cavalier attitude to the lives of the hostages. He gave his life rescuing hostages and he rescued the vast majority of them, I think he rescued over a hundred out of 106. In contrast Israel knows hostages are in the tunnels and they have bombed the tunnels all night.

Real heroes - not. Yoni Netanyahu - a real hero.

It has become clear who the real terrorists are.

The actions of Hamas are utterly appalling and they need to be stopped. But the ordinary civilians are not Hamas, and are not in any way responsible for what Hamas have done. Bombing Gaza back to the stone age is a disproportionate and inappropriate response imo, because the vast majority of those killed and injured have done absolutely nothing wrong. It's as wrong as it would have been if GB had bombed NI because the IRA were operating from there.

The discussions of the nomenclature of ethnic cleansing and genocide and the legal definition of a war crime etc don't matter one jot imo. What's important is that a very well armed, trained and equipped army, with latest military tech, is killing, maiming and displacing unarmed and innocent people who have already been crammed into a densely populated enclave by land grabbing on the part of Israel.

I read earlier in the week that over 50% of the population of Gaza are under 18. Just think about that: half the people being killed in Gaza are children for fuck's sake. How can anyone think that's ok?

How is it ok for another country to tell a population to leave their homeland, and how nonsensical when that country controls 2 of the 3 land borders and won't let them cross? And knows full well that the other adjoining country won't let them in? How is it ok to stop the water supply to 2m people, and cut off the power that is literally keeping the sick and injured alive?

Hamas are an utter stain on the planet but the majority of people in Palestine have no culpability for what happened on 7/10 or any other occasion when Hamas have committed atrocities. And all that this appalling bombardment and horrors arising from it is doing is creating a new generation of people who will want to fight back. Some of them will be the next generation of terrorists.

Of course Israel has the right to defend itself from terrorism. But this isn't defence, it's an act of aggression and hatred against civilians.^^

@LakieLady I agree. Not only are the IDF’s actions not defence, not only is it aggression, but it is terrorism. The very thing they claim to be fighting against.

I read earlier in the week that over 50% of the population of Gaza are under 18. Just think about that: half the people being killed in Gaza are children for fuck's sake. How can anyone think that's ok?
Agree with this.
Anyone who thinks bombing children is ok needs to look in the mirror.

On the news there's reports that southern Gaza has also been hit overnight.

It's morally awful.

• tell everyone to move south otherwise they're fair game if they get bombed to death
• then leave the whole territory in black out and cut off contact to the outside world and continue with collective punishment
• then launch attacks on the south whilst there's no contact with the outside world

This is not about defense and it's not about getting hostages back.
It's about clearing an area whilst the world looks on.

If the hostages are still alive I dread to think how they're feeling inside Gaza whilst their government shows that they don't give a fuck about the lives of anyone.

I just read that they estimate a million people have taken to the streets in London today- it’s taken over 2 hours for the March to cross Westminster bridge. That’s a lot of strong feeling against War and in support of the people of Gaza.

Westminster Bridge

Footage from one hour ago.
I’m in London today and would love to join but I have DC with me.

I find those pictures heartening. Some posters question why are people out marching, it's pointless, stay at home blah blah..

For me it gives me hope that all of humanity has not been lost when I see how much care and concern there is for the Palestinian people.

The opression, apartheid and land grabbing have been going on for years though. The fact that is has been tolerated by the world is part of the reason for where we are now sadly.

My 21 year old son joined a demonstration in Aberdeen today. I'm attending when we visit next weekend. These demos are heartening and apart from donating,writing to our MPs there is little else we can do.

Are the London demos getting coverage. I read there is a massive one in Turkey. Isn't it twisted how little coverage the pro Palestine demos are getting? Despite the Uber slick Israel propaganda machine most of us can use our brains and decide for ourself what is happening.

Civilians mainly young people are being decimated bombed until there is nothing left. No WiFi,electric or water. This war crime will go down in history books. Im Scottish and I've just written to Humza again, I hope rishi is listening. Surely nobody still can claim Israel is defending itself, it is committing genocide and multiple war crimes for which I hope the ICC punish and sanction them.

I meant coverage on BBC channel 4 etc

A lot of the children in Gaza have been in camps since they were 5 yo teaching them to hate jews...that was the only point of these camps...Israel's response has been at military targets, albeit they are in civilian areas as that is hamas operandi but they are not targeting civilians, they are doing what they can to protect their country and people from terrorists. Gaza would also be better off not being ruled by terrorists.

I can't look at it any more . Both Hamas and the IDF are absolute scumbags and I can't watch anymore of the innocent men, women and children being murdered. I am absolutely powerless. I have wrote to my MP and that is all I can do. I have no money and I just able to pray for these people and even then I am not very good at praying.

I’ve been watching all of this unfolding and feeling pretty helpless. I’ve just signed up for this - maybe some of you are interested. The War Crimes Project is about to be launched and the organizers are looking for volunteers to help with pursuing war crimes complaints with the ICC:

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeQu5HmMdUXHrXsAm1B8_nxaCI3yQwX6MXsbCiExH8Riecd7w/viewform

I think you will find that is true of Israeli children taught from a young age that Palestinians are less than human and are enroaching on the promised land. You will find plenty of Jewish writers affirming that.

Ah so it's ok to kill Palestinian children because they were only going to grow up to be Jew hating terrorists anyway.
That's not what you're saying, of course not.
Or... is it? Because it kinda reads that way. You're certainly tarring a lot of children there with that one brush.
And ok, so Israel isn't targeting civilians, you claim. So, they're just collateral damage then.
As if that's somehow more palatable.
Israel is gaslighting the world right now.

Agree.

The justification for genocide is getting more and more bizarre. It's like they are clutching at straws now to convince everyone that Israel is doing its very moral best

Started with "But Hamas"
Diverged onto history of Arab nations
Came back to Hamas and tunnels
Now onto the children are evil

In between throw in regular anti semitism accusations and righteous Israel has a right to defend itself.

But yeah, justifying it cus the kids are evil anyway is a new low.

@Alliannna I can't believe you have typed that utter tosh. The IDF are really just targeting military targets? Seriously are you delusional go and educate yourself. I seriously can't believe there are those among us defending the IDF barbaric acts but yes here we are!

@bness yes according to @Alliannna it's the bad 5year old Gazan children. Ludicrous just ludicrous isn't it

Editing this to say - but nowhere and never would it be justified to say they deserve any sort of violence.

But this hate too has consequences. Today, in Israel, Jewish students locked up Palestinian University students in a classroom and chanted death to Arabs.

You can’t unpick them because they are true. If they are untrue then pick one and unpick it. Go on try it.

Have either of you heard of hamas? You’ll never guess what they think is ok. It’s actually even in their mission statement.

OF COURSE I am not in any way endorsing the killing of children, what is happening now is horrifying...but Hamas need to be taken out so everyone can move together in peace...children need to be taught acceptance, not hate, otherwise this will never end. The normal people in Gaza will be far better off without Hanas.

Palestinian Children would be better off being able to live freely with their parents in safety and joy, rather than continuously under illegal occupation, apartheid and fear of imprisonment and death at will.

Equally, Israeli children would be better of not taught to hate Palestinians from a young age, think of them as lesser humans and assert their authority and violence on them as a result as they grow up and gain power.