Please restore my faith in humanity..Israel?

[Bakensmile]

I don’t view Hamas as humans, they are pure evil.

However I am astonished at the atrocities Israel are committing and getting away with, I want to believe they are good and just defending themselves but it’s getting harder to do that. I have some questions if anyone could answer, I would be grateful. Before this gets deleted as that’s probably inevitable as mumsnet doesn’t like anyone questioning Israel.

Over 1,000 children have been killed since this all began. Why are Palestinian children’s lives not viewed as important as Israelis?

To the people who say Israel need to destroy Hamas. If Hamas had underground tunnels within Israel. Underneath Israeli homes, hospitals. Would you support the dropping of bombs and view the killing of innocent Israeli civilians as collateral damage and an unavoidable tragedy? Or do you think Israel, who has arguably the most efficient intelligence in the world, would find another way to obliterate them?

The UK and US wrongfully invaded Iraq killing thousands of civilians, some members of the army were raping women and in one case burnt a child alive. If at that time, Iraq had decided to bomb the UK killing thousands of civilians as a way to defend themselves, would you also support that?

The most recent tragedy last night at the hospital. Israel immediately took responsibility and were quite proud they had ‘killed terrorists’. They then deleted this tweet and backtracked saying it was Hamas, releasing audio between two members as ‘proof’.

How can they intercept phone calls between terrorists but failed to see the initial attack and massacre of innocent israelis coming? How is this considered as proof? The two people talking could be anyone.

Why would they claim responsibility if it was nothing to do with them?

What are the chances that a rocket misfires and just happens to land on a hospital that was supposed to be keeping hundreds of Palestinians safe?

Well I'm happy to see we both agree on the aid. I'm also praying it is allowed in very soon. It should have been in a long time ago. I saw a doctor saying he was having to carry out surgery without anaesthetic, its terrible

Who are 'their' people? Why should I condemn something which very likely was done to protect me and my family? If there is evidence to the contrary (and it has happened), I would condemn. Right now, knowing what hamas does and what it is capable of, it makes sense to me.

Well said, it's tiring and a very lazy accusation. The post just after yours is another one (I know a journalist is given as an example, but the undertone is there and very obvious). The issue lies with those assuming support of a terrorist group with nothing to suggest the person does. I hope MNHQ will take such accusations seriously when considering talk guidelines.
The fault definitely also lies with all the governments/leaders who have ignored what's been going on for years. I don't see Hamas or the IDF as having a high regard for civilians, unfortunately, it's them who will suffer most in all of this.

Update,
https://uk.yahoo.com/israel-gaza-live-hamas-dangerous-putin-warns-biden-075027616.html

So why have Lebanon got a dog in this fight?

Above was an error - should have read 'Yemen'.

On the contrary, I was speaking generally about sneaking regardism which is a real thing.

The fact you allude to my post shows your defensiveness and your presumption it was specifically aimed.

Did I mention you, specifically?

Of course not. But let's not pretend sneaking regardism isn't a thing in the real world. 🤔

Just in case link doesn't load properly - from Yahoo news

"The US has intercepted missiles fired from Iranian-backed Houthi rebels in Yemen that were potentially aimed at Israel, the Pentagon said.
The destroyer USS Carney was in the northern Red Sea on Thursday when it took down three missiles that "posed a potential threat".
“We cannot say for certain what these missiles and drones were targeting, but they were launched from Yemen heading north along the Red Sea, potentially toward targets in Israel,” Pentagon press secretary Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder said in a briefing.
The US is on high alert for activity from Iran-backed actors as regional tensions escalate amid conflict between Israel and Hamas.
Israeli troops are preparing for an anticipated ground offensive in Gaza as part of Israel's "total siege" of the enclave following Hamas attacks on Israeli two weeks ago in which 1,400 people were killed and almost 200 kidnapped."

It looks like it's escalating outside of Israel Gaza
Which is not good for anyone. The international community and the UN really need to step up in facilitating a ceasefire and putting an end to the bloodshed

The general post happened to come straight after a few posts on the subject, make any assumptions you like about defensiveness.
If there is a stream of posts about posters saying bananas are their favourite fruit, and I just happen to make a general post on how I think people who eat bananas are horrible people, of course it would seem related.
I really don't think you couldn't figure that out, though.
Put as many words as you like in my mouth, no-one said sneaking regardism isn't real, it's getting very tiresome.

"The Israeli army has been given the green light to do whatever it wants. Kill whoever it wants."

By whom?

I wasn't aware that Israel had to ask permission to defend itself??

I believe it's more the fact our leaders are letting it happen without condemning the actions of the IDF. Permission isn't needed, but they will continue unchecked as no-one seems willing to intervene.

It doesn't
However it does need to abide by international law and not violate it which it is currently doing

They are violating international law through their collective punishment
You may agree with it but it doesn't negate the fact that they are doing this

@Meshigenus for reference

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67156865.amp

And it's really not a stretch to imagine Hamas quite happily using a church in which to conduct their operations.
After Saturday comes Sunday....
It's a win win situation for them.

While most of us were safely sleeping in our beds last night, as were our loved ones, innocent people were again caught up in this.

I'm not only praying for those poor people but the hostages, who must be absolutely terrified. I'm afraid to add, that is if they are still alive. There are no winners in this conflict.

I can udnerstand why UNRWA (the bizarre agency which exists for Palestinian refugees alone while all the other world's refugees only have UNHCR) might say that. They want money, supplies etc for a humanitarian response. It's fine, that's what they should do. It doesn't mean that Israel should not have a military response to Hamas, even if civillians are sadly hurt.

But UNRWA would also do well to ensure that their schools and premises are not used by Hamas (as is their wont and has been done frequently) or supplies stolen by Hamas (as UNRWA itself tweeted a few days ago but then deleted, clearly - and understandably - scared of Hamas' response)

This is very true. I don't see a good solution for anyone and the chance of this deteriorating and becoming regional is vey high.
Russia and Iran must be rubbing their hands with glee.

Also feel so sorry for relatives or Jewish and Muslim people, in general, who are being targeted outside the ME. Nobody deserves this. I actually, for once in my life, understand what privilege looks like.

True. Thank you for the reminder. They are saying some aid might go in today. I really pray it does

Yes, so do I

Latest update
Hamas has finally agreed to release some hostages in exchange for a ceasefire
Israel has said no to this proposal. I'm hoping something changes and this can be agreed on, I can only imagine what turmoil the families of the hostages must be going through right now

The release of hostages and a ceasefire is a step in the right direction for both sides.

Just awful.

Just think how many people would still be alive and have homes had the hostages not been taken in the first place and the attacks not happened.
Pointless carnage.