Please restore my faith in humanity..Israel?

[Bakensmile]

I don’t view Hamas as humans, they are pure evil.

However I am astonished at the atrocities Israel are committing and getting away with, I want to believe they are good and just defending themselves but it’s getting harder to do that. I have some questions if anyone could answer, I would be grateful. Before this gets deleted as that’s probably inevitable as mumsnet doesn’t like anyone questioning Israel.

Over 1,000 children have been killed since this all began. Why are Palestinian children’s lives not viewed as important as Israelis?

To the people who say Israel need to destroy Hamas. If Hamas had underground tunnels within Israel. Underneath Israeli homes, hospitals. Would you support the dropping of bombs and view the killing of innocent Israeli civilians as collateral damage and an unavoidable tragedy? Or do you think Israel, who has arguably the most efficient intelligence in the world, would find another way to obliterate them?

The UK and US wrongfully invaded Iraq killing thousands of civilians, some members of the army were raping women and in one case burnt a child alive. If at that time, Iraq had decided to bomb the UK killing thousands of civilians as a way to defend themselves, would you also support that?

The most recent tragedy last night at the hospital. Israel immediately took responsibility and were quite proud they had ‘killed terrorists’. They then deleted this tweet and backtracked saying it was Hamas, releasing audio between two members as ‘proof’.

How can they intercept phone calls between terrorists but failed to see the initial attack and massacre of innocent israelis coming? How is this considered as proof? The two people talking could be anyone.

Why would they claim responsibility if it was nothing to do with them?

What are the chances that a rocket misfires and just happens to land on a hospital that was supposed to be keeping hundreds of Palestinians safe?

It is perfectly valid for anyone to point out that Al Jazeera is funded, fully or partially, by the Qatari Government.

That YouTube note means a biased source and, ideally, people should select a more independent news source.

Reuters is independent in a way Al Jazeera is not. More professional too.

Again, pointing out the source of your clip via YouTube publishing note is NOT an example of a Strawman Argument Fallacy. 🤦‍♂️

So, I attach again for others to see for themselves.

@Feelinadequate23
It's great that you want to help those suffering, just be aware that Hamas stole UNRWAs fuel and medicines etc the other day and will presumably not hesitate to do so again. So you might end up directly funding the terrorists 🥴
Not sure what the answer is though because the Palestinians need the help.

I will also repost my response to a previous poster to you also.

So your only upset at the source of the video and not the actions of burning babies alive in the documentary piece, speaks volumes very very loud.

One could say it echo's the thoughts within the video itself.

What I do believe though, is that there is still hope. It is difficult to look for miracles in times like this but it wasn't that long ago that people would laugh in your face if you discussed the prospect of peace in NI.

I do have hope. Israelis and Palestinians do want peace; most of them do.

We need to get rid of Netanyahu. We need to condemn the settlement expansion and implore him to withdraw.

We need him to pledge equal right of self determination for all

Well what would restore my faith is if some of these Arab nations fully condemn hammas??

For slaughtering their own??

Oh, and they only do it for channels thats funded by governments.

Not "all channels in this category"...i.e. News category. 🤷‍♂️

Al Jazeera is funded by the Qatar so YouTube puts a publisher note on it. Everyone should treat Al Jazeera with caution.

No I didn't misunderstand you. You're so busy demonizing other people that you accidentally compared Palestinian actions to the response of a dog. This kind of thing is exactly how humans end up in situations like Israel and Palestine.

I don’t understand how the media are painting any impression that Israel are quite right in what they are doing? We all know they are firing into the Gaza Strip and killing innocents, creating a humanitarian disaster…etc etc. I know that isn’t right. I know hamas aren’t right. The media won’t change my mind. They are both wrong and awful.

Hamas keep their weapons near children. They make mistakes. It's convenient to blame the Israelis for all and any mistakes because some people believe everything that hamas or Palestinian mouthpieces say. They also hate Jewish people.

You don't really want an answer @Bakensmile you've already made your mind up as can be seen by your claims. Regardless of your mistakes in your post.

It all looks incredibly fishy sky news are picking through the car park and they Cant see how it killed 400....

Unfortunately putting close personal ties aside where people's emotions are understandably running so high.... People's reaction has shown how bad our education system is.

People like lemmings following what everyone comes out and with ai, false photos, false information it's terrifying.

This tells you the truth about why Palestine can’t use another water supplier. It isn’t a Palestinian decision it’s an Israeli one.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2017/11/the-occupation-of-water/

That's a Non-sequitur Fallacy from you there.

I think we can all see now that news channels on YouTube don't all get the publisher note.

Only those funded by governments get them.

I'd rather get my news from BBC, Reuters or similar reputable, professional news organisations.

Not Al Jazeera. 🤷‍♂️

I get my news from all over I would never ever rely on one source. If you take a little from each place the truth will be somewhere in the middle.

People have posted many recent opinion polls showing a majority of Gazans supporting one or other of the several terrorist groups there. I suppose you could say they want peace, in the sense that they may believe that once Israel is abolished and all the Jews are, let's say removed, from the Middle East, there will be peace. But I don't think that's what you have in mind.

Qatar funds Hamas, just to mention one player here. Why would Qatar pledge (or more accurately, actually support) an equal right of self determination for all, when Qatar is an Islamic state in which non-muslims remain second class citizens? As the Jews were for centuries under Islamic rule in the Middle East.

Exactly, but if you try to propose this to anyone, many will offer you a tinfoil hat.

Sadly some on here wouldn't believe it if they saw it with their own eyes.

In regards to your questions OP.
Israel did not tweet that they had struck the hospital. Some idiot right wing 'influencer' by the name of Hananya Naftali who has no access to any classified information did so when it was announced (by hamas) that Israel had hit the hospital.

The audio clip by itself would be dodgy. But there's other evidence and experts have said that it points to it being a misfired long range rocket (damage is consistent with rocket fuel igniting rather than the heavy structural damage and crater expected from an idf bomb. We also know hamas has a penchant for hiding munitions in hospitals so they may have been ignited. Hamas has presented zero evidence that it was Israel other than insisting it is so.

As to why they had this call and no others, its entirely possible that the sophisticated attack on 7/10 was planned using encrypted messaging whereas as 2 operatives talking about where an Islamic jihad missile fell might be done on an unsecured phone. They were gossiping, not planning an operation.

The full throated and unequivocal support for this version from Biden who would have access to highly classified info also lends credibility to the israeli version which is coherent and cogent.

This.

You won't get an answer.

Even a video where it is said outright what happens, is still met with refusal.

That's not Gaza though. There are no settlements in Gaza. They make their own decisions. And they decided to rely on Israel rather than invest in desalination or ask Egypt. 20 years of not one israeli settlement and they didn't do it.

You're strangely angry with someone for pointing out the facts about Al Jazeera being funded by Qatari Government and that YouTube puts notes on "news" channels funded by governments.

It appears you've no reputable, non-government funded news channel to use as an alternative source.

That, I'm afraid, speaks volumes to all reading this thread. 🤷‍♂️

If you take the word of Ibizafun's cousin's DD for it, you have no business participating in a democratic society. People are dying, some effort at personal responsibility would be helpful.

I guess I shouldn't believe my nephew.
Or the thousands of personal accounts of massacre
Or the journalists who saw it
Or the forensic pathologists.