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Just MC and ready to try again? Pack your leathers, black nail polish, air guitar and jump in the mosh pit for some serious metalling. All welcome! (Part 17)

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MarathonMama · 24/07/2011 14:49

Hello! Just miscarried and ready to start again, come and join us...

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babysaurus · 07/09/2011 20:42

Off-load time, sorry.

Have come to the conclusion that this week is going to be a bad week. My PMA, I am sure, will come back but at the moment I feel fucked off. Fucked off and let down. I don't want to put too much empahsis, or even blame, on the folic acid issue but, after my recent conversations with the nurse, this is possibly the straw that breaks the camels back. Just had text conversation with my mum who suggested I print off the diabetes uk stuff which describes it as 'crucial importance' and hit them with it show it to them.

Have just sat and had a sob. Proper big sobs so I am glad I am on my own this week (but the dog looks confused!) Guess this is all part of the healing process, right? Doesn't bloody feel like it but fingers are crossed!

Summer re what you said about holding my cousin's baby - I don't want to now, but just because I feel quite wobbly and emotional and don't want them to realise this. The idea of people not knowing what to say or do is horrible, and it may also make them quite uncomfortable. I think that holding Freddie would be fine, I really do, but at the moment I seem to cry at close to bugger all so it may be, say, them offering to help tile the bathroom after which sets me off!
I think I am feeling like - they have a beautiful baby boy and I, who was 4 months behind in the pg, had severe pain, hemorraging, and a cocktail of diamorphine and synthetic hormones to make my womb contract (with the added possiblity of a blood transfusion - oh glee!) That's what shite, I reckon.
Am hoping I can start to get out of this gloom by the weekend. I am generally not gloomy or pessimistic for long but reckon I need a bit of self indulgent sobbing too.
Normal service, I hope, will very soon be resolved. Smile

babysaurus · 07/09/2011 20:45

X posted with you pie! Not spoken to the diabetic team yet as only picked up the folic acid (at the correct dose) and had that chat with the pharmacist at 5pm. Will do though, when I have calmed down a bit...

babysaurus · 07/09/2011 20:47

and no, they don't know about the mc at the pharmacy

MandaHugNKiss · 07/09/2011 21:13

baby You know what, there were times when I absolutely recognised I needed to be 'self indulgent' for want of a better phrase and, yes, wallow, cry an really feel how I was feeling instead of brushing it off. It's actually a kindness, to yourself, to do so - to deny such strong feelings is only storing up trouble for the future.

Absolutely your PMA will return. It will return precisely because you are allowing yourself to feel the full, justifiable, range of emotions.

Hugs for you. Just... hugs.

zebradoodle · 07/09/2011 21:17

Thanks so much guys for the moral support - really appreciate it. And am also loving the inspired suggestions for consolatory beverages - am definitely going to give this irish coffee business a shot (though maybe not at work. Yet Grin). And the Wine. Both together if required :).

You're all of course completely right, and 2 weeks isn't all that long (especially given what can happen with retained products and the like, eek). I'm the world's worst at being patient though (going to have to improve that in this game it seems, definitely going to try that rigid target-setting suggestion!). Feeling more upbeat now though, so going to try to follow all of your fine examples and PMA it on through :).

Pie, the pooing-on-carpet story made me chuckle (tragically immature sense of humour it seems), feel free to share!

And Baby, poor you - as you say, am sure it's pretty unlikely the folic acid did affect what happened, but can completely imagine how having to struggle with useless medical advice along with everything else feels like way too much to handle at the moment.

babysaurus · 07/09/2011 21:43

Zebra its not useless medical advice; it's giving me five times less than the dose that is considered, by various medical bodies, as 'crucial.' It may well have affected things! This is not defiante, obviously, and there are also an infinate combination of things that could have cocked things up, but it is quite a significant cock up on the part of the alleged 'healthcare professionals.' Which is why the pharmacist spotted it as soon as she looked at the prescription - its written in blood that diabetics HAVE to take the recommended 5mg.

As for what you said about being patient, I am not remotely patient either but find with the current situation it is especially hard and frustrating. Frustrating on a good day and hard on a bad day could be a good way of putting it.

Manda I think that doing the self indulgent thing is what I need right now. And this included the drinking far too much wine on Sunday night! And agree that storing it up is also storing up trouble, better out than in and all that.

Am now wishing I'd got some wine when I was out - feels like that kinda day!

Thanks everyone. x

Missgiraffe1 · 08/09/2011 08:13

Baby Sad, finding this out is not going to be very good for your recovery from this MC, is it?! I can understand why you're now wondering if this could have had any impact on your lost pg, even if it is unlikely. The sad thing it, you'll never know. I am livid on your behalf! I am inclined to agree with your Mum too. When I had my ectopic, they forgot to give me Anti D (I am rhesus -ve and my DH+ve) despite me asking at the very beginning if I should have it (after reading the leaflet given to me at the hospital). Now I'll have to wait and hope that there was no mix of blood and that I didn't develop antibodies (which can affect future pgs). I sometimes wonder if I should have made more of a fuss about it. They said they'd write up an adverse incident report. Maybe you should ask whether something similar will be done now that they are aware of making a mistake with your prescription? I know it doesn't help you, but at least it might highlight the issue amongst the team and result in them to checking all other prescriptions.

Pie hehe, my nephew did the same in my house a few weeks ago. But, my brother didn't even notice! So I walked upstairs an into one of the spare rooms (my Bro had take nephew into shower) and there was a little pile of babypoop on the carpet!! Grim.

Zebra good to hear you're getting into the PMA swing of things.

Morning everyone else. The sun is out, after 2 days of non-stop rain. Not sure how long it will last though. Am dreading starting work this morning. So much to do, I don't know where to start!

Summerbird73 · 08/09/2011 09:37

Blimey ? chit chat chittle chattle, I have had to create a ?word? doc for this one! Wink

Sun? missg Sun? It is grey and miserable here! And at your DD?s toilet habits! Grin but hey ? I wont have a word said against her, she is a star, and can I borrow her for some PMA please?

pie how old is your darling DS (of the pooing variety arf arf?!). I am curious as DS is 2yrs 3 months and we still don?t think we are anywhere near ready for toilet training. He will happily sit on the loo with one of those ?attachment? things but wont wee or poo, he also hates the potty. Am I worrying too soon? Cant be arsed with the poo on the floor stage ? he gets so upset if he wee?s on the floor Sad I might just wait until he is 15?. Hmm

baby self indulge away, don?t forget we are all here to support eachother. You are having a shit week, and need to spend some ?me? time. How about having a day completely to yourself ? maybe getting your hair done or a facial or a bit of retail therapy. Or just a coffee in the local Costa with a girlie gossip magazine (chocolate muffins optional) Smile

zebra I am loving your PMA, and I may join you in an irish Brew if you will brew up ? there?s a love

Now then, we SWI on CD10, CD12 (last night). Going for it tonight (CD13) and Saturday (CD15), so with my (.)(.)s out and PMA I am feeling v positive about a BFP this month. I def OV?d yesterday as I get a real stabbing pain when it happens so that is in the bag Grin

Waves to all the metallers and hope you have a good day everyone, will try and bob on when I can. xx

Missgiraffe1 · 08/09/2011 10:22

Yes SUN! Smile it is shining through my office window right now. Although, having looked closer, there's a big dark grey cloud in the distance - knew it wouldn't last long Sad

I am liking these stats Summer!! Operation June Baby seems well on the way to success!! Grin Whoohoo! (I am a little hyper this morning, must be the sun)

babysaurus · 08/09/2011 10:49

Morning all,
Grey and miserable here too. Bit fed up with it now as every time I seem to leave the house it starts to tip it down.

MissG I am even more Shock at the cock up with your Anti D drugs! Especially as you had specifically brought it up yourself! That is shocking! I realise medical staff are also only human etc etc but there does seem to be a infinate number of mistakes made constantly which can have terrible consequences.
My sister works as an ODP at a nearby hospital and she was telling me that just yesterday they had a patient who was in for an op on his hand. He had been in since Monday but nobody had read his notes properly, and they were all set to put him under and do the op when he mentioned something about a small op he had before his chest as a baby. My sister then looked at his notes herself (she doesn't normally have to do this) and it turns out he had had MAJOR heart surgery as he was born with his heart back to front, and if they had put him under it would have killed him! Another one she told me, this was a few months back, was that the side of someone's head was opened up - brain op - and then someone realised the X-ray was back to front and they had opened up the wrong side! All of these mistakes, or the mistakes that have happened with me or you, seem easy enough to have been avoided in the first place too. Scary stuff!

Summer a day being indulgent is just what I fancy, or do I mean 'need'! I have actually been pretty indulgent all week, to be honest. I am meant to be sorting website, business cards and have a few commissions to get on with but so far have started one of the commissions and, er, that's it. DH is away this week and I wanted to have loads sorted by the time he comes back so we could spend some time together but that's clearly isn't going to happen. Ooops! I don't have any looming deadlines as such, the figurines are for the start of October, which probably isn't helping the motivation. I've just felt too flat and pissed off to get into it tbh. I feel a bit perkier today so hopefully its starting to pass.

babysaurus · 08/09/2011 10:54

MissG can you send some of this sun to West Yorkshire please? Ta!

Summerbird73 · 08/09/2011 11:10

lets just say in my line of work i report on medical cock ups every day, tis my bread and butter. you would be Shock at some of the stories i could tell you but then again if i did tell you i would have-to-kill-you get the sack! you just have to console yourself in that the stories you hear are an extreme minority, trust me Hmm

YY missg i have DH all present and correct and am running Operation June Baby with military precision. It will mean DS almost shares a birthday but frankly my dear spreadsheet i couldnt give a damn!

MandaHugNKiss · 08/09/2011 11:10

Sun? Nope it's grey, grey, grey here in SW London.

FFS, missG that IS quite a cavalier attitude of them to take. I mean, ok, logically there is only a VERY small chance of any cross over because you were ectopic so if you were bleeding it wasn't from the baby/placenta, more likely the lining of your uterus breaking down because the hcg produced by an ectopic isn't quite 'good' enough, or steadily rising enough, to stop YOU spotting. So, to that end, it was your own blood and nothing to do with the baby, iyswim? I'd have thought they'd err on the side of caution though - unless having the injection when not needed also has consequences? Shouldn't imagine so.

My tests are getting darker so that's good... although it still hasn't sunk in - totally NOT imagining a baby at the end of it!

Missgiraffe1 · 08/09/2011 12:13

Yeah! to dark tests Manda and to shagging like a pro Summer !! (a professional, I mean Blush)

Manda, I did have Methotrexate, and it is in the MX protocol that Anti D must be given. I had a strange experience. Went to EPU due to light bleeding/spotting. My uterus was empty, should've been 6+5. Said they could see slightly thickened lining but no evidence of a PG. Nothing in tubes either. That days HcG was 800. Although they said 800 seemed low for my stage, they said it wasn't outwith the realms of possibilty (and its the rate of increase that's important, not the figure itself) so I could maybe be a bit wrong with my dates. Then, my 48 hour test came back at 1600. So, they told me categorially that HcG DOES NOT rise properly in an ectopic, it NEVER doubles etc etc, so I am just behind with dates and this seems like a viable pg. Come in in a weeks time for a scan. No further bleeding/spotting.
Fast forward 1 week to scan. Empty uterus again Sad. Nothing in tubes. Blood tests taken, then left in the room with no instructions to wait for a doctor. MW just left the room as said these results should be available after 2pm. Because of the week before, when we had just been sent home after the blood test, we thought we were just to do the same. Oooops. Wrong. EPU phoned a few hours later saying "where did you go?" (wasn't really thinking straight as you can imagine)
Went back in the next day. Should have been around 8 weeks by this time.
2 sonographers in during that scan, for senior second opinion. They said that there was free fluid in my abdomen and pouch of douglas (??). When the consultant came to speak to me, she said the fluid didn't didn't look like blood so there weren't worried about rupture, but that due to previous doubling of HcG, and fact that yesterdays test was up to 3000, there were sure there was a PG trying to grown somewhere tucked away in my abdomen. Said most likely that the PG had attached in the tube, then had been expelled (cause of the fluid) but reattached somewhere in the abdomen. Until then, I had no idea this was even possible! (and wish I hadn't googled this when I got home).
So, anyway, they said they wanted me to wait in the hosp for my blood test result, which they would get urgently.
Couple of hours later, test results back, HcG up to 3,800. They said this was quite high for an ectopic (or 'pregnancy of unknown location' as they were now calling it), that they were sure there was pg trying to grow somewhere (but that it wouldn't be a normal pg) and talked to me about the options. They said surgery would be considered but that they would need to root about looking Shock. As I was in no pain, and not bleeding, they said the MX was the best option.
So, I had it. 2 days later, I got up to the loo in the morning and was bent double with pain. it was like a hot, stabbing pain. Almost passed out with the pain. When DH saw me, he shot out of bed like a rocket, said I was green.

I can only assume it was 'separation' pain, which they said could happen once the 'products of conception' (nasty term) started to come away Sad
When I googled abdominal pg, I found out that there were 3 live births recorded where the baby had attached to various places in the abdomen (I think, the intestinal wall in one case!), but that mortality of mother is very high because there's a high risk of rupture of the organ it attaches to.
Anyway, I'll never really know how far that wee one got in its development, they basically told me that there was no hope for a abdominal PG (which wasn't techincally true. The stories I found are documented in reliable medical journals, not in the Sun) but I supppose I am a little worried that there could have been a mix of blood during that separation, since I now know that a baby could, theoretically, have been hiding away and growing somewhere Sad. I know the risk is probably very low, but it's just another thing I wish I didn't need to worry about.

Phew, that was an essay and a half!

Sending some happy sunshine and PMA vibes to metallers everywhere!

Summerbird73 · 08/09/2011 14:34

god missg that is a Sad story, so sorry you went through that, but you are right, it is best not to dwell on these things as they could have had even sadder outcomes. so PMA all the way for this pregnancy Smile

babysaurus · 08/09/2011 16:39

Frig. I wrote a long and involved post (which didn't involve the usual me me me, for once) and the bloody thing vanished! Got a screen instead saying I had to log in first before I could preview the message Confused

Anyway, this one will have to be very brief. Poor you MissG, your experience sounds really shite. And quite traumatic too. I second the PMA for this pregnancy too Smile

Missgiraffe1 · 08/09/2011 16:53

Definitely, PMA all the way! Cheers! Off out to my friends tonight for dinner. I really hope her DH is doing the king prawn satay, otherwise I will struggle to hide my disappointment! Have been thinking about it for over a week!

babysaurus · 08/09/2011 16:54

I like your style MissG!

MandaHugNKiss · 08/09/2011 17:09

Wowzers missg that's some experience. Whilst summer is right that it wouldn't do to dwell, I think there has to be a little comfort (as far as this pregnancy is concerned) in that what happened is extremely rare.

Fgs, woman, I was obsessing over the thought of those prawans when you mentioned them before... and now I REALLY want them! Grin

I couldn't get enough prawns when I was pregnant with DS2 (bottom feeders or not - I LOVES them!) and once in ASK I had prawns picante to start, followed by prawns picante for main! The waitress looked at me like I was a loony but it was yuuuuummmmmm!

Damn... the only 'prawn' anything I have here is prawn cocktail crisps and they just WON'T do. May have to venture to the shops...

MandaHugNKiss · 08/09/2011 17:10

Prawn count in my last post = 6

Well, 5 and 1 prawan. Grin

Missgiraffe1 · 08/09/2011 18:30

haha Manda!! Grin You have it bad! Well, if it's any consolation, just got a text from masterchef himself ....... chicken & broccoli lasagne Shock Sad Angry
Gutted
Thinking of pulling a sickie

Missgiraffe1 · 08/09/2011 18:34

That was a joke btw Grin Grin. Incase you think I'm really an ungrateful cow of a friend! (although I am still bitterly disappointed)

MandaHugNKiss · 08/09/2011 19:01

Joke? I would be crying off...

Heh. I jest too. I really hardly ever cook and am always grateful when somebody makes the effort.

Dp just called to say he's gonna call his mum to have DS2 for a couple of hours and 'get me out'. We've yet to see The Inbetweeners (which we both find hilarious) so maybe that. Followed by something that includes bottom feeders... Grin

Enjoy your chick 'n' broc Lasagne missG!

eve34 · 08/09/2011 19:02

Evening all.

Baby and Miss G i am so sorry to hear these stories. I can't imagine for one moment how upsetting it must be for you both.

Marathan - really pleased the scan went well.

Hope everyone else is ok? Summer i am very envious of your swi. DP is away this week and next so feeling really flat about ttc. Part of me thinks we should just not bother. now DS is at school we can get some money behind us and replace the cars/kitchen etc. Have a nice work/life balance etc. I wonder why I would want another baby now ds is 5. Then I think I want ttc. It goes round and round.

DS is going to school ok, although the teacher wanted a word today. I told them before he started he was a handful So got the bad parent lecture about bedtimes etc. So feeling pretty shit right now. DP is away and never has much to do with the organising day to day stuff I am just fed up of it always being me sorting everything out.

On the up side disneyland Paris is next Thurs really be nice to be there but it isn't going to be very relaxing. And as always I have stuff to sort out for this as DP is working away.

Oh I do go on don't I.

Miss G I am sure the lasagna will be wonderful.

Keep up the PMA ladies :-)

babysaurus · 08/09/2011 20:33

Eve in the grand scheme off things, you do not go on!

Anyway, I have breaking news and hope you are all braced - I think I am getting AF! (Bet you're glad you braced yourselves, and also bet you can barely stand the excitement Wink) This is actually good news as it means we can properly start SWI instead of thinking about things getting back to normal cycle wise. I won't count my chickens just yet but I do feel far better than I have all week.

PMA, PMA, PMA Grin