Due June 2007... the new thread!

[NattyandThomasandBump]

got sick of how long it took my poor computer to load that mammouth page so i have started a new one!

oh and can i stay?

Thanks sputnik. Will hit the stilton and sushi on your behalf. Make a change from the gin and brie binge I have been on. Will indeed check in and let you know when I am hopefully on another thread. Meanwhile will do some taichi and some more drinking. Bit counter productive I know but it makes me feel better.

about the stilton & sushi!! Forget that, about the gin!! Seriously, I think it's good to try to enjoy what we're missing - it's what I did earlier this year when I thought I was pg, but lost it after only a few days. Went straight out, down the pub with the girls, and four pints later, was ready to try again!

On a baby-positive note, had my scan this morning, and it's a healthy (single, thank goodness) little person in there! Never will cease to amaze me, how these little people can just magically appear inside of you. New EDD: 3 June. Now just have to get through till the 20 week scan... why oh why can't I just NOT worry for once??

Taichi, please have a big plate of mussels for me as well (I don't normally eat them but now it is all I want!!!) as well as a nice bottle of wine that doesn't taste like vinegar. Hope all goes well and thank you for your lovely message.
Lilkel - good news on the scan!

Taichimum - So sorry to hear your news. You sound like you are coping well, hope you have loads of good support round you and I'm also sending you lots of sticky glue for future use!

I failed my driving test only had 7 minors though but unfortunately for me 4 of them where my mirrors so big fat major for that! And also my reverse park was shite, was expecting the round a corner or round a car but no the examiner chose into a bloody diagonal parking bay!! I had never done that before so that threw me off for the whole test! I have another booked for 20th december so hopefully i'll pass that time. Shouldn't have taken it so soon, before last tuesday my last lesson was in may so maybe i rushed into it a little.

I also had my scan on wednesday, was good to actually see baby in there, although i did hear the heartbeat at m/w appt other week it was still reassuring to see baby. My due date is 9th June so my calculations were only a day out. So i am now 12+6.

Haven't been able to get online as dp been off work past few days and when he's here i don't get a look in on the pc.

Just got my keys for new house today, so here starts the massive decoration project, the whole house needs doing before i move in.

Hope you all have a good morning sickness free ( i wish!) weekend.

Hi everyone, im due on 25th June estimated by dates, got my scan in 17days. It will be my second child, i've got DD aged 19 months was wondering if i could join this thread. Also just wondering, when do the midwifes start to feel your stomache cos mine hasnt yet but is this normal? I'm asking cos wih my DD i didnt contact anyone untill i was 22weeks!
Many thanks x

Hi Nikaleeona and welcome to this thread! I had an appointment with the m/w last week and she didn't do anything apart from ask me how I was feeling and how was my diet. She has however booked me in for a further appt and blood tests in mid December so she may have a prod then. I am due at the end of June like you; we are all looking forward to the 12 week stage when the ms will magically disappear!

Thank you. Yea will be good when MS disappears! Although i have discovered cheese makes it worse! Which kinda sucks as im vegetarian so eat alot of cheese! Midwife wanted to do bloods but DD was around n she freaked when my blood pressure was done so shes leaving bloods til im 16weeks! x

No news here other than my boobs are killing me. Got my scan on Mon 11 so don't wanna invest in maternity bras til I know everything's alright.

Also keep getting funny twinges when I turn over too quickly in bed - feels like my (already non-existant) stomach muscles are unable to support me as I go.

Get a load of me...how sexy do I sound?! Swollen boobs and flobby stomach

Lol i know what you mean, im exactly the same!!! Having to sleep with pillow supporting my stomache already! And none of my trousers fit, im in maternity jeans already, even out-grown my trackie bottoms! Wasnt this big til 5months with DD!

Hi all, hope you are doing ok.
Magicgenie I'm with you on the twinges, also get them when I sneeze, cough or blow my nose!
MS has finally reduced itself to actual morning sickness so I only feel really bad between about 8.30 and 10.00, halted only by breakfast baps fromt he canteen at work! I am going to be the size of a house!
Finally have a date for my scan, on Friday, thought I wasn't going to get one as the midwives didn't seem to know I existed. Bit nervous over what they will find. Also panicking about not bonding with the baby as I still haven't bonded with this pregnancy yet. Is that normal? Just feel a bit in denial about the baby thing, and everyone keeps saying 'oh you must be so excited' and I just like 'well, actually at the moment I just want to throw up then go to bed for a year!'
This pg business is a minefield, feeling v overwhelmed at the moment. A woman at work who is about 6 weeks ahead of me is already looking at nurseries! I just wanted to cry when she told me! That's the last thing I feel like doing at the moment!

Hi bumperlicious, that's exactly how I feel....I saw my family yesterday, and they were SO happy for me, and excited. They asked me how I am, and I said 'Great!'. If I'd told them I am feeling sick, worried, scared and knackered, they would just be puzzled, after all we had been ttc for three years! When I got the positive pg result I was happy for a week then literally woke up one morning feeling sick and miserable. It MUST be hormones, mustn't it? Like you, the thought of shopping for prams and cots and nurseries just leaves me cold. I think part of the problem is I haven't come to terms with being pg, and I am just scared that I won't cope.

Sorry for rambling, just wanted to say you're not alone!

I was exactly like this in my first pregnacy, I thought of myself as a very unmaternal person, never cooed over babies, bought hardly anything and just could not imagine what having a baby would be like. I was also plagued by horrible nightmares about my baby dying of neglect. I was totally overwhelmed by the whole thing, and that lasted all the way through the pregnancy. Even after the birth when I left the hospital I was sure there was some vital piece of info they hadn't given me, I was like, "you're letting me out on my own with this?" I wanted the manual. I think this is a very common feeling.

I coped, and bonded, and loved it and now I'm back for more. Having a much easier time of it too. My MS is over so hopefully you guys don't have to put up with it much longer either.

Welcome Nekaleeona

Sorry, Nikaleeona

hi all just introducing my new & festive name!

I too was completely unable to imagine being a "mum" until about 4 months after I became one!! And look at me now, a 15mo gap between the two...yikes. Actually I still object to the notion of being labelled a "mum" as that word somehow still refers to my mother, not me! LOL! Just do it your own way. Once you meet some other mums (antenatal classes, nct, etc) you'll realise everybody else feels equally weird about it. Being a huge thing, it should be scary in a way, really... (big hugs)... don't worry about it just yet.

Jealous that lildrummerKel has TWO groups of pals to chat to!

Thank you lildrummer and sputnik - it is really reassuring to hear about others feeling like this. When I chat to the few 'babied up' friends I have, they say they adored being pregnant and loved all the attention, and I just feel like I must be mad. I love the idea of having a new born manual, like you get with a new car!

By the way, bumperlicious and anyone else feeling like this - do NOT read 'We Need to Talk about Kevin' by Lionel Shriver while pregnant!

Doggus.....check out Jojo Maman Bebe...they have a 'Haynes' manual for babies....it'll be tongue in cheek I'm sure, but probably quite funny! would make a great gift for your DP. I suffered quite a bit with feeling I had an alien inside me when pg with DS and felt quite wierd about it a lot of the time, even more so when he used to move around quite a bit. None of my friends who had babies could relate to what I was feeling and I felt there was something wrong with me for being freaked by it all. But, the minute he was born I was smitten and very shorlty after that couldn't imagine a life without him. I can't wait for all that squirming this time around.
It's good to know that you're not alone though and that your feelings are perfectly normal. It won't stop you bonding I'm sure.

Did a mammoth Chrimbo shop on Friday after work as I was starting to feel normal again, but after three hours DH practically had to carry me to the car, I was aching all over and thought I was going to faint. We went for food at 9:30pm as I hadn't eaten since lunchtime and I wolfed my starter down so quickly that it all came back up again (nice). Thankfully I made it to the loo in time, but what the other customers in Frankie and Benny's must have thought as I ran past them clutching my gob...LOL. I still managed to eat my main course right after and felt much better for it! It serves me right for feeling quite smug that my ms was going away! Spent the whole weekend in bed feeling awful, so I won't be overdoing it like that again any time soon. So much for this being the start of the 'bionic' trimester, as a friend of mine put it.

Had my booking appointment on Friday (at 12 weeks). Midwife tried for the heart beat but couldn't get anything. She explained that it's hit or miss at this stage whether she can find it or not and not to worry about it. I'm trying not to as we saw the bean and heard his heart when we went for a private scan a couple of weeks ago...but still, after two mc ...at least I only have to wait until Wednesday now for my dating scan. I'm sure it'll be fine.

Phew what a post....I get a bit carried away on this thing sometimes

P.S It wouldn't make any difference if you did get a manual with the baby....when I had DS I kept on saying 'but my book says' whenever i couldn't figure out what to do (which was often in the early days), One day my sisters had enough and replied in unison....''but Cameron hasn't read the book''...it was a valid point and quite rightly shut me up. Don't worry, it'll come, maybe not quite naturally, but definately in time !!

That 'We Need to Talk about Kevin' woman has made a career out of being anti-children. Every time I look at a paper there seems to an article by her

True about the manual, it wouldn't help and probably would be counter productive. I didn't realise that at the time though. Luckily my baby denial had prevented me from getting any baby books! Much better to sample a range of opinions on Mumsnet then go with your instinct!

If you're simpy a book addict like me, and just have to read something about babies & what to do with them before the big day, give Pantley's 'No Cry Sleep Solution' a go. Breaks you in very gently to the whole parenting thing and is very sensible and reassuring. Especially good in guiding you through the early days, when you really don't know what's going on, what day it is, your name, etc etc. Oh and don't be afraid to ask midwives in hospital what to do. Neither I nor DH knew how to (properly) change a nappy, put on a sleepsuit, feed a baby, hold a baby...

I'm going on Amazon right now to get the Haynes manual and the No Cry Sleep Solution as an antidote to the Kevin book. I have What to Expect zzzz.... but it's quite twee, very American and nowhere near as good as mumsnet.

I had a relapse too, daisybump, dh and I work together from home and as I was 'better' he asked me to do a load of emails for him. After an hour, I just wanted to cry and sleep. So I did both. I still marvel at all of you with proper jobs, working through, kudos to you.

Another endorsement for the No Cry Sleep Solution here, I got it when DD was about 5 months and I thought I'd never sleep again. It wasn't the magic solution I'd hoped for but did make me more accepting of the whole thing and realise that the important thing was doing whatever it takes to get a bit of sleep and not worry about what they "should" be doing, setting up bad habits etc (load of rubbish). DD now sleeps brilliantly.

Anyway, I guess there will be plenty of time to discuss these things in a few months when we become a post-natal thread. Don't want to frighten you first timers.

I've also heard there's a good guide done by the Great Ormond Street Hospital which just tells you the basics of how to do baths, what to do with health problems, that kind of stuff - not a parenting book. Wish I'd had something like that in the early days.

Afternoon Ladies, we had our scan and everything is looking fine, we are so pleased! And it sure was exciting...only thing they spotted was a clot and low lying placenta...but I've had no bleeding so I'm sure things will move. I feel like I have the proof now of being pregnant seeing it actively moving . I just am starting to feel very protective and not as scared at being a first time Mum as I was (I'm sure that will change again!!) Now I just have no idea how to be one! The books sound like they have good practical advice!
Hope everyone is well and tackling the Xmas shopping xx

Great to hear about your scan, and other's too, I remember that feeling, coming out of my 12 week scan last time, we were walking on air. DD was curled up all cosily in there sucking her thumb and I just felt so fuzzy and protective and just miraculous really, it was the first time it felt real. Will be doing this one in a couple of weeks and I'm so looking forward to it, also to having DD along and showing it to her, I wonder if she'll "get" it.

I'll have to do this scan privatly as, although they're free here in Italy they couldn't give me an apt. til 29th january! I calculated I would've had to book it at 5 weeks pg, which, considering it took me 3 weeks of jumping through bureaucratic hoops just to get the certificate that proves I'm pg and entitled to certain things free, would've meant starting the whole process about the day after conception!

Hello all,

Got some bittersweet news - had my 12 week scan and one of the twins hasn't made it. Sadly, it looks like it stopped growing a few days after my 9 week scan which had shown them both well with heartbeats etc. But the good news is that the other one is fighting fit, kicking and waving with everything where it should be, so although it was a bit of a shock and very sad, we're actually very excited still - I kind of refuse to be upset whilst we've got a beautiful little bean alive and well growing in my stomach.
Hope you're all well - I've also come down with a cold, so any advice for pregnancy-friendly solutions (I'm usually a hot toddy and lemsip girl) would be much appreciated!