I hate being fat :(

[Scarlettjune]

I'm 5 foot 3 and 14 stone 6 pounds. I hate being fat. Why can I achieve so much else in my life but I can't achieve losing weight.
I have tried so many times.

I went on mounjaro last year and it just made me really sick. I didnt lose any weight on it. I am off it now.

Both me and my brother had very bad childhoods and we are both overweight. Obviously we are eating to comfort ourselves. I'm not sure how to break the pattern. Was anyone on here able to break out of the pattern of emotional eating?

I work in mental health (and addiction) so trust me when I say I know it's not that simple as "just get counselling".

You're doing well already considering what you've survived. A hard childhood is a big thing to overcome and it sounds like you're trying your best.

1. You're not that large, please be kind to yourself. However I can see why you want to change your weight and relationship to food.
2. Counselling can be top down or bottom up - mind focused or body focused. You might find a body focused practice more helpful.

Body focused work is about being able to tolerate being in your body and feeling safe. Known as "somatic" work. Things like Yoga can be a therapeutic way of trying this while also exercising and caring for your body.

You also might be interested in self help books about trauma. I've not read a lot of them (I'm working through The Body Keeps the Score, which is very famous but a hard read especially for trauma survivors.

There are other books that might be easier reads but I can't comment directly on these e.g makeheadway.com/blog/books-like-body-keeps-the-score/

I found putting a very lengthy detailed description of my journey around food , exercise , health and weight into chat gpt really helped.it pointed out a couple of patterns then also gave me some advice about how to change my mindset.

I know ai shouldn't really be relied upon in this way but it helped me !

What is your affiliation with WLI? You have to accept that any medication carries risks and is not suitable for all. There are also cases of patients entirely losing the vision in 1 or both eyes due to optic neuropathy, I personally have worked with more than 1 patient where this has been confirmed by neurology. Drugs carry risks, obviously so does being obese and you need to weigh these over the long term but there are very real side effects which very real people suffer from

What a shame, so sorry.

I think the issue is two fold, habit and trauma. I’m also an emotional eater due to childhood trauma, but I also have 30 years of bad habits now to contend with.

Have you tried Wegovy? I think it’s a really hard thing to do, to break long established habits without help.

I am on Mounjaro and have lost just under 6st. I’ve resisted going up the doses and am still on 5mg. I do have bowel issues and nausea but only if I eat poorly or overeat. I’ve had to completely change the way I eat.

What are you on about, not everything is a conspiracy, I have no affiliation. You can’t seriously think people who correct misinformation are affiliated and trying to sell them. Take the tinfoil hat off.

and I don’t remotely believe you on the blindness, that’s incredibly rare with no direct causation proven, I assume your talking about naion.

I am talking about naion and I HAVE seen it twice in the past few years yes. Rare things happen every day.

Sight Unseen: Glucagon-Like Peptide-1 (GLP-1) Agonism Therapy and Nonarteritic Anterior Ischemic Optic Neuropathy - PMC https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12781142/

Have you used GLP1s?

There has been no misinformation

Have you tried Slimpod?

There has been plenty, and I’m not going to sit and point it out to you, read the thread and you will see it being corrected.

Let's not turn the thread into another WLI battleground. It's not going to help OP, who has deep-rooted trauma attached to food and has been very clear that she doesn't want to go back on any WLI. Let's respect that.

What you have tried to correct is the lived experiences of others which is an odd stance to take. If you've had a good outcome with GLP1s then that's amazing. I'd have been delighted if that had been my outcome. As it was it became clear I couldn't tolerate them and had to stop. And I started them fully aware of the potential risks having seen them in a clinical setting however also having seen my sister experience amazing success with them. You seem unwilling to accept they are anything but a miracle.

No I haven’t, I have repeatedly said a percentage of people can’t take them etc. what I have corrected is things like the ops assertion it’s common to get severe nausea and this forum shows lots of people like that, or contextualise the blindness.

not liking the facts doesn’t change them,

True. OP doesn’t want WLI and that’s that. Let’s move on.

I agree

I apologize for my part in the derailing

Op my advice would be that you probably need to work on self acceptance and seeing yourself as more than your weight. Try to find active hobbies that give you joy beyond attpting to lose weight. Go to the GP to make sure any underlying conditions are being addressed.

However you probably as well as deep seated food related trauma (which believe me I understand and I have my own journey there) you probably have other self esteem issues which will block you from moving forward. If you can try to focus on your overall mental, physical and emotional well-being you should find it easier to respond to therapy. Especially if you're not using your weight as the only yardstick.

You are worthy, worthwhile and important regardless of your body composition

Go to the GP to make sure any underlying conditions are being addressed

Yeah…This is very important,I made things a lot harder by not making sure any underlying issues were treated.

I did go to the GP but they were dismissive multiple times unfortunately until I got very sick and hospitalised while on holiday abroad.

I regret not insisting on a blood test earlier.

Well then they are idiots. Sorry, but something that happens to one in 33 people is not rare.

Not aggressive at all. It's something that can happen, especially when half of MN is talking about them as though they are magic and will make unwanted weight disappear without the person taking them doing anything. It's a similar narrative to when WLS was the major topic - and some people who had that did not lose significant amounts because they didn't cope with the changes they needed to make; things like drinking high fat and high sugar drinks or consistently overeating by a fraction and stretching the pouch or still consuming more calories than they expended. That's hard for people who were led to believe that everything would be fixed and WLIs/WLS were the magic, easy solution that those who judge people for wanting them say they are.

There's also the reason for eating particular things and a whole load of backstory behind emotional eating - can a small salad hit those emotional spots when somebody has learned that the act of eating, the feel in the mouth, the taste, the sweetness or saltiness, the warmth, the being able to sit and experience food instead of the shitstorm around them and inside their heads? Does allowing yourself to get smaller take away the fear of violence that drove somebody to decide at some level that being larger would make them safer?

One of the advantages - and disadvantages - of WLIs are they can reduce the gnawing urge, the actual hunger that is a biological response to consuming less energy. They don't change the history that has led to that point. They don't fix trauma or improve abusive relationships or make somebody in a horrible job and living in unsatisfactory housing suddenly happy. All of those things are still there and to be dealt with - and sometimes, despite using WLIs, people can still fall on their previous calming and comforting behaviours and eat foods that used to make them feel better but cause unpleasant side effects when eaten with WLIs in the body.

This is an honest response from someone taking mounjaro currently;

If you overeat on mounjaro you will be sick, healthy food or unhealthy food. It slows the emptying of the stomach, so you probably need to look at quantity as well as quality.

I found a nutritionist who coached me on how to eat, particularly quantity wise, and the addition of the jab made a respectable weight loss without sickness.

@Scarlettjune

I am so sorry, this is very hard. I am also overweight. My overeating is related to having OCD (luckily it is pretty mild but has left me very overweight).

Please can I suggest that you go back to your GP and look into NHS options for Compound PTSD or Complex PTSD (C-PTSD)**

"The NHS provides free, evidence-based therapies for Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD), primarily Trauma-Focused Cognitive Behavioural Therapy (TF-CBT) and Eye Movement Desensitisation and Reprocessing (EMDR). You can access these treatments by registering with your GP or by self-referring directly to your local psychological therapies (IAPT) service"

I have not had Eye Movement Desensitisation and Reprocessing (EMDR) but it looks really interesting and I wonder if it could help you. I had Cognitive Behavioural Therapy (CBT) for my anxiety many years ago and it really helped.

You didn't ask me before you wrote that.
I didn't eat a lot while I was taking mounjaro. I ate healthily. It still made me very sick.

Mounjaro also made my friend sick.

I think weight loss injections aren’t for the op, she needs to find another way, I know you’re trying to help, as many of us did, as normally it is either due to lack of food or the wrong types, but it appears she and her friend are in the two percent who get extreme sickness from it and can’t tolerate.

Did you drink fizzy diet drinks while on MJ as that made me really sicky.