AGAIN - Nursery worker found guilty [CONTENT WARNING: Details of CSA]

[AliceAbsolum]

https://www.whitchurchherald.co.uk/news/national/25838680.nursery-worker-guilty-multiple-sexual-offences-children-care/

Seriously when are they going to ban men from nurseries? I don't care if some other innocent men have to find other jobs.

It makes me feel so sick, I can't even comprehend it.

[title edited by MNHQ to include content warning]

All the checks done only mean they haven't been caught yet.

What they should be doing is no adult working alone with a child ever. To be honest, id like to see 3 adults minimum with any child, and if that means they have half height cubicles, maybe with frosted glass from the floor, to change nappies on the main floor, then thats what they should be doing.

All men working with children are paedophiles, and paedophiles should be killed? So all men who work with children should be killed then? Wonder why they can't get more men to do the job?

There was a man at DDs last nursery. He was such a nice guy, a loud gregarious character. DD still talks about him 10 years later. He’s still there and an asset to them. Lots of the children there had absent fathers so an important male figure for them.
I think we need more rigorous background checks.

So remove all men from nursery, I've got no skin in the game and don't care about the menz. But what are you going to do when the next child is harmed?

In the real world, no safeguarding will be 100%, so here's an idea: Why don't we do BOTH? Remove men, AND increase safeguarding across the board.

Time to stop employing men in nurseries.

and you translate that by " only paedos" can do these jobs? charming.

And if it's a peados who has never been caught before. What use be background checks then?

That is absolutely not the same as the question asked

Male sexual offenders are 3 times more likely to seek work with children than the average man.

Do you like those odds, when the risk is your child being vaginally or anally raped by an adult man? Do you think that's a risk you should expose your child to?

That's not what I'm saying and you know it

not just all men who work with children, but all men who work with vulnerable women too apparently.

It might be quicker to just kill all men and be done with it.

What's frightening is imagining that some of these posters have boys. Imagine having a mum who hates men so bitterly and think her own child is a paedophile because he's male. It's terrifying the way some kids must be raised.

I am just reading your posts, that's exactly what you are saying!

I'm really not trying to stand up for men, but I don't believe that men working in nurseries are the biggest risk factor for harm to children in a childcare setting. I absolutely accept that the sex most likely to abuse a child is overwhelmingly men, but I suspect that things like improper training and safeguarding practices, and insufficient staff levels carry a far higher causal link to harm to children in nurseries, than whether or not there's a man working there.

As I have said, I've no skin in the game, ban men I'm perfectly happy with that - but I do think we need to do more than that to prevent harm from coming to children in nurseries.

Get cameras in nursery s and care homes

How lucky for you that you have an option

If you are that frighten about your child's safety (and why not) i'd question why you would abandon them in a childcare setting in the first place instead of keeping them safe with you frankly.

There were 2 male nursery workers in the nursery where my kids went. I was happy with the safeguarding that was in place, but then I make assessments based on everything, not just based on a person's sex or gender.

100%. I think it's diabolical that care homes can tell families that they may not have nanny cams in their relatives rooms.

The tech needs to be VERY secure, if we're talking cameras in nursery toilets, but it's not impossible. I don't think it'd have universal support though.

This is why we decided to have much less disposable income and I be a sahm than send our kids to nursery. I'd sooner be flat broke than take the risk.

Most of the women involved in the SA of children in nurseries do so at the behest of male partners. It’s extremely rare for a woman to SA a child completely of her own volition. I’m not downplaying their culpability but if you take men out of the equation, the rate of child abuse will dramatically decrease.

Personally I would not allow men to work with children under the age of 4 / in nursery settings. It’s very sad for innocent men of course but I care more about children men’s hurt feelings and I think good men would understand.

I have no issue with men teaching primary school aged children and upwards. Both DD and DS have had the most amazing male teachers since they were in Y1. But babies/non verbal children/toddlers - no. I remember DC’s old childminder when they were tiny was very popular and always had waiting lists and I honestly think it was partly because she was single with no adult men in the house. Really sad but that’s the reality of the situation and the blame for this lies with…men.

....what!?

We did the same. No way did I want complete strangers changing my children’s nappies.

Background checks are already rigorous but as I said earlier I think they're geared towards mitigating the risk posed by women. The risk posed by men is different.

I’m know I wanted to say this earlier but- it does feel a bit odd - to not want to look after them yourself and then say the nursery is full of risk - also it’s supposed to be empowering women to work and then saying men can’t do childcare..

Your children and your choice, but I do think it's a massive shame for your child to miss out on a lot of lovely early years developmental opportunities that cannot, with the best will in the world be provided at home with one parent.

The overwhelming majority of nurseries are safe.

Most of life for all of us - adults and children - involves calculating and mitigating risk, not avoiding it completely.

Best parent ever, cool.

Edit: sorry wrong post 👀