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To think that it's about time islamic fundamentalism is dissected and challenged

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diddlysquatagain · 13/10/2025 19:58

Did anyone read the very interesting article by Matthew Syed (sorry if behind a paywall) - Sunday Times: 'One thing has been holding back the Middle East for centuries':
https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/middle-east-religious-fanaticism-iran-kcvh5knn3

"The Middle East was once the centre of the intellectual world. Then it went into reverse. The problem then, as now, is Islamic fundamentalism. No peace or prosperity is possible until the madrassas and other machines of indoctrination are confronted"

One thing has been holding back the Middle East for centuries

Religious fanaticism has been catastrophic for a region that was once the intellectual hub of the world

https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/middle-east-religious-fanaticism-iran-kcvh5knn3

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Summerhillsquare · 13/10/2025 21:11

Yeah, cos no one has ever said that before! Hmm

is he still after getting elected to something, anything, now he's switched sides?

Bigpinksweater · 13/10/2025 21:13

YANBU.

But the suicidal, mind boggling alliance between Islamism and the useful idiots in the left wing will continue.

jonthebatiste · 13/10/2025 21:15

By whom?

vivideye · 13/10/2025 21:16

Or maybe you could just get a life instead and just start treating people as individuals and taking each person as they come.

hamstersarse · 13/10/2025 21:16

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MidnightPatrol · 13/10/2025 21:17

Is Islamic fundamentalism not being challenged…?

skippy67 · 13/10/2025 21:18

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You have no idea about what "every British person" thinks. Behave.

vivideye · 13/10/2025 21:18

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What are you on about? I’m British and I don’t see anything apart from people like you trying to make crass and boring generalisations about loads of people they’ve never met.

This is not about being British it’s about Muslim bashing.

skippy67 · 13/10/2025 21:19

MidnightPatrol · 13/10/2025 21:17

Is Islamic fundamentalism not being challenged…?

Apparently not. But the OP is on it, so we're good...

Screamingabdabz · 13/10/2025 21:22

vivideye · 13/10/2025 21:16

Or maybe you could just get a life instead and just start treating people as individuals and taking each person as they come.

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crackadawn · 13/10/2025 21:23

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Ddakji · 13/10/2025 21:26

57 Muslim nations have only 1 top 200 university - a shocking and shameful statistic.

diddlysquatagain · 13/10/2025 21:28

Ddakji · 13/10/2025 21:26

57 Muslim nations have only 1 top 200 university - a shocking and shameful statistic.

Absolutely, shocking, shameful and terrifying.

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diddlysquatagain · 13/10/2025 21:29

MidnightPatrol · 13/10/2025 21:17

Is Islamic fundamentalism not being challenged…?

Only recently, really. Too many mosques have been allowed for too long to operate without any real scrutiny.

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Ddakji · 13/10/2025 21:31

diddlysquatagain · 13/10/2025 21:28

Absolutely, shocking, shameful and terrifying.

Keeping the faithful in a state of ignorance.

converseandjeans · 13/10/2025 21:35

skippy67 · 13/10/2025 21:19

Apparently not. But the OP is on it, so we're good...

@skippy67 I don’t believe it is being challenged in Iran or Afghanistan. Women are barely allowed out the house & are told what to wear. So it’s not great for women’s rights. I feel that we should be protesting about the issue & political pressure should be put on their governments. There’s other countries where women have a tough time with FGM & lack of education. I may be wrong but pretty sure FGM is an Islamic issue.

Ddakji · 13/10/2025 21:37

skippy67 · 13/10/2025 21:19

Apparently not. But the OP is on it, so we're good...

Did you read the article?

ForBluntPlayer · 13/10/2025 21:44

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helpfulperson · 13/10/2025 21:54

Yes Islamic fundamentalism needs to be challenged but Christian Fundamentalism is what is driving alot of what is happening in America at the moment so that should be being challenged as well.

deadpantrashcan · 13/10/2025 21:58

diddlysquatagain · 13/10/2025 21:29

Only recently, really. Too many mosques have been allowed for too long to operate without any real scrutiny.

I see. So, is this just a rage bait thread?

steadyinvolvement · 13/10/2025 22:00

This is gross 🤮
why is this acceptable? All form of this rhetoric is dangerous. Conspiracy theories about religious groups and races is how ww2 started.

antisemitism , Islamophobia should be called out at all costs

AMouseLivedinaWindMillI · 13/10/2025 22:15

Yes but it has to come from within.
Unfortunately anyone questioning islam comes at great personal risk

Bigpinksweater · 13/10/2025 22:17

vivideye · 13/10/2025 21:16

Or maybe you could just get a life instead and just start treating people as individuals and taking each person as they come.

Like the one who crossed the channel because he appeared fine then raped somebody?

Bigpinksweater · 13/10/2025 22:18

steadyinvolvement · 13/10/2025 22:00

This is gross 🤮
why is this acceptable? All form of this rhetoric is dangerous. Conspiracy theories about religious groups and races is how ww2 started.

antisemitism , Islamophobia should be called out at all costs

Why is it gross? If I told you I wanted to start a movement where women were obliged to cover themselves to stop male sexual attention, thieves would have their hands cut off, anyone who refused to join the movement would be jailed at best and mass prayer would be an obligation, you’d call me insane (and very very right wing, probably). You wouldn’t welcome it in the name of diversity. Why is this different?

DBSFstupid · 13/10/2025 22:18

Bigpinksweater · 13/10/2025 21:13

YANBU.

But the suicidal, mind boggling alliance between Islamism and the useful idiots in the left wing will continue.

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