To think that it's about time islamic fundamentalism is dissected and challenged

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Did anyone read the very interesting article by Matthew Syed (sorry if behind a paywall) - Sunday Times: 'One thing has been holding back the Middle East for centuries':
https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/middle-east-religious-fanaticism-iran-kcvh5knn3

"The Middle East was once the centre of the intellectual world. Then it went into reverse. The problem then, as now, is Islamic fundamentalism. No peace or prosperity is possible until the madrassas and other machines of indoctrination are confronted"

I agree. The world should be up in arms trying to change the life of the women who were born there.

We’ll cross that bridge when we come to it. The current bridge we are on is Islamism.

I am reluctantly increasingly agreeing with this push back against Islamist ideology. I don’t want it in this country although I suspect it’s too late now. We defanged the Christian fundamentalists by laughing at them. Maybe we need to do Th e same to Muslim fundamentalists.

What about Christian fundamentalist, who also want women to cover up, submit to their husbands, and be more “modest”.

What about Jewish fundamentalist, who also make women cover up, and won’t sit next to women they don’t know on Planes & Buses?

Christianity also suppressed science and technology for centuries.

Good old fashioned misogyny runs deep through many religions.

Not challenged? What? The whole world including us has sanctions and the highest level of pressure possible against the Taliban. We literally invaded them and took over and tried to change things and it didn’t work.

As for FGM - do some research. Very much not a thing for one religious group. Occurs in a few places including some african tribal religions, parts of south asia and others. Terrible but pre-dates Islam.

I do love how on Duolingo Arabic they have the phrase "Al Azhar is a top Islamic university".

Agree its a shocking statistic.

Considering the UK government helped take out the leader of Syria and replace him with an Al Qaeda man who also the founder of ISIS, it is pretty clear who is behind Islamic fundamentalism and it is not Muslims

Another great piece by Matthew Syed.

There’s probably no point weighing in on this as most people on mumsnet appear to be morons who think the ‘world’ is the UK and have never read a book.

The reason global Islamic fundamentalism isn’t challenged is not because of woke culture in the UK, but because a huge global force for power, oil and money is Saudi Arabia. They fund and support a lot of this fundamentalist doctrine, and it is in their interest to have an uneducated population to oppress.

Unbelievably what happens in the UK is not a driver on the global stage.

No government on the planet has, or will have, the political or moral will to challenge the Saudis or the ills of fundamentalism.

And it's on its way over here via Reform.

https://archive.ph/vJWET

It's one of the main reasons why the industrial revolution occured in Britain. We were not confined by any fundamental religions. All the fabulous wealth and knowledge of Catholic and Islamic countries were restricted by their own religions and religious leaders. They had the knowledge and ingenuity, but were not allowed to go against Gods will. The British meanwhile were Protestant pragmatists and not under undue influence of the church.

Of course it does. But, considering the very principle of the religion is that it is absolutely beyond any criticism and you become it's enemy if you dare such a thing makes it rather troubling.

The paradox of intolerance strikes again.

Theres not 43000 Christian fundamentalists on the terror watch list in the country.

Let’s talk about what is a burningly obvious and immediate danger to life.

It comes with a great risk.

No benefits there.

That's a very interesting point about Saudi Arabia. (not the bit about most people on Mumsnet being morons though)

💯 this. I never understand these articles and can only assume they’re designed encouraging outrage for practicality.

who would challenge fundamentalism across the Middle East? Does MS think there is a world wide government who can do these things that none of us know about?

it’s quite colonial really.

No belief system on this planet should be above criticism or ridicule.

Interestingly they are trying to educate at speed, because they’ve finalise realised it won’t be long before the oil runs out/ green energy takes over and they won’t have a USP. British universities are opening all over SA. They are trying to attract people now to build the future. It’ll be interesting to see what impact this has on fundamentalism

Charlie Hebdo learnt the hard way that to mock Islam is done at deadly risk.

Yet here we are.

Oh yeah that one. See what you mean now. Islamic fundamentalism is responsible for the rapists in this country.

Do give over.

Which demonstrates that it's not a good idea to have it within a liberal democracy.