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I can’t stand my brother-in-law…and his abroad wedding…

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Thirls · 12/09/2025 09:24

Hello! I wanted some honest advice here. It’s a long one so buckle in if you have the time to help - thank you in advance 🩷

My BIL/SIL are insufferable, they will introduce themselves to strangers and within seconds will say how well off they are and are extremely entitled people. They also have serious tempers, very nasty and have screamed down the phone to us on many occasions - baring in mind they live on the other end of the country so we don’t see them often (thank god).

Anyway, they’re getting married abroad, they’ve given us just 11 months notice and it’s going to cost us £2k each to fly, stay, attend multiple gatherings including the wedding day. He’s having 4 stag dos, she’s having two - one of each are abroad too. We got married last year but it was local and never expected people to drop everything to attend, we know it’s a big ask and an expense, I was grateful if someone sent us a card honestly. They have not once acknowledged how much it costs for guests and have even told us that if we don’t stay the whole week for the wedding, then we shouldn’t go at all, and that goes for all the guests - their entitlement is rather clear now I think!

We have been going through fertility struggles this last year (who knew it was so difficult to make a baby!?) and I have been going through tests recently, so is my husband. Thankfully my test came back great so that was a massive relief - now just waiting on my husbands. I had an early loss in June sadly which led to a lot of pain, both physically and emotionally. And since then, it’s been a tough ride for me. I don’t feel comfortable at the thought of going abroad as I really do hope to be pregnant by then.

Now, I asked the SIL to be my bridesmaid last year, it just made sense as we’re family (sadly) and have to get along, so it was a safe choice. She’s now asked me to be one of her 9, which I knew she was just asking by default. She wants multiple gatherings, all of which are 4 hours drive away, and all she wants to do on a weekday. So as these are just planning/gatherings, they’re not hen dos, I said I would struggle to attend, but I specifically messaged her twice to say please don’t fuss about my availability and I’ll be supporting from afar and would love to see pictures of the night! I know from a brides perspective how difficult it is to get people together, and it’s expected one or two can’t make it…sadly, they don’t think the same.

I messaged SIL explaining that I couldn’t make the night she planned as we’ve booked a last minute holiday, it’s our last ditch attempt as I’ve timed it with my cycle, so I’ll be ovulating while we’re away, so I’m hoping being on holiday will help us conceive (that’s how I conceived earlier this year before the miscarriage). Yes, it’s a selfish thing to have booked it knowing she had this bridesmaid evening booked, I’m not making out I’m a saint here. But they don’t know our fertility struggles, and I don’t want them to know. But without them knowing, we probably are coming across as unreasonable.

So this is where I’m stuck (also this evening I am missing is just a bottle of wine and trying on some dresses, it’s not booked at a shop, she told everyone to buy their own dress and bring it with them to try on in front of everyone - it’s not a big thing in my opinion). She’s not replied and the brother in law called my husband saying awful things about me, I’ll never forgive him. I appreciate they don’t know what’s going on, but if they had just spoken to me directly and asked why we booked the holiday, rather than calling screaming down the phone and saying horrible things to me, I would have told them what’s going on.

So I’m in a pickle. Do I leave them to turn the whole family against me (I call them both the king and queen of England as literally they can do no wrong in the family’s eyes) and just don’t say anything, don’t attend the wedding etc. or do I just bite the bullet and tell them my deeply personal issues (not even my family know and they’re my world).

Sorry for the long message, please tell me what you would do? As I said, yes, booking the holiday after knowing the plans was selfish, I’m not going to deny it, but it’s not a hen do and I’m not buying a dress with my own money, driving 4 hours away to wear it in front of 9 people I don’t know, to be told that’s not the dress they’ll be picking…it’s not a big deal? Also one final thing, she’s been so incredibly rude to me the last year, and at the family Christmas meal she sat next to me and purposely turned her back so I couldn’t speak to her the whole meal. I was at the end of the table so I had no one else to speak with…so this has been an ongoing issue with her attitude with me for a long time now…this isn’t new!

OP posts:
Lovehascomeandgone · 13/09/2025 17:50

I’m sorry, OP, but that is just way too much hassle and stress to have in anyone’s life. I wouldn’t bother with them or their fucking stupid wedding to be honest.

Daygloboo · 13/09/2025 17:51

Lovehascomeandgone · 13/09/2025 17:50

I’m sorry, OP, but that is just way too much hassle and stress to have in anyone’s life. I wouldn’t bother with them or their fucking stupid wedding to be honest.

Edited

Agree

Lollylucyclark101 · 13/09/2025 17:53

Thirls · 12/09/2025 09:24

Hello! I wanted some honest advice here. It’s a long one so buckle in if you have the time to help - thank you in advance 🩷

My BIL/SIL are insufferable, they will introduce themselves to strangers and within seconds will say how well off they are and are extremely entitled people. They also have serious tempers, very nasty and have screamed down the phone to us on many occasions - baring in mind they live on the other end of the country so we don’t see them often (thank god).

Anyway, they’re getting married abroad, they’ve given us just 11 months notice and it’s going to cost us £2k each to fly, stay, attend multiple gatherings including the wedding day. He’s having 4 stag dos, she’s having two - one of each are abroad too. We got married last year but it was local and never expected people to drop everything to attend, we know it’s a big ask and an expense, I was grateful if someone sent us a card honestly. They have not once acknowledged how much it costs for guests and have even told us that if we don’t stay the whole week for the wedding, then we shouldn’t go at all, and that goes for all the guests - their entitlement is rather clear now I think!

We have been going through fertility struggles this last year (who knew it was so difficult to make a baby!?) and I have been going through tests recently, so is my husband. Thankfully my test came back great so that was a massive relief - now just waiting on my husbands. I had an early loss in June sadly which led to a lot of pain, both physically and emotionally. And since then, it’s been a tough ride for me. I don’t feel comfortable at the thought of going abroad as I really do hope to be pregnant by then.

Now, I asked the SIL to be my bridesmaid last year, it just made sense as we’re family (sadly) and have to get along, so it was a safe choice. She’s now asked me to be one of her 9, which I knew she was just asking by default. She wants multiple gatherings, all of which are 4 hours drive away, and all she wants to do on a weekday. So as these are just planning/gatherings, they’re not hen dos, I said I would struggle to attend, but I specifically messaged her twice to say please don’t fuss about my availability and I’ll be supporting from afar and would love to see pictures of the night! I know from a brides perspective how difficult it is to get people together, and it’s expected one or two can’t make it…sadly, they don’t think the same.

I messaged SIL explaining that I couldn’t make the night she planned as we’ve booked a last minute holiday, it’s our last ditch attempt as I’ve timed it with my cycle, so I’ll be ovulating while we’re away, so I’m hoping being on holiday will help us conceive (that’s how I conceived earlier this year before the miscarriage). Yes, it’s a selfish thing to have booked it knowing she had this bridesmaid evening booked, I’m not making out I’m a saint here. But they don’t know our fertility struggles, and I don’t want them to know. But without them knowing, we probably are coming across as unreasonable.

So this is where I’m stuck (also this evening I am missing is just a bottle of wine and trying on some dresses, it’s not booked at a shop, she told everyone to buy their own dress and bring it with them to try on in front of everyone - it’s not a big thing in my opinion). She’s not replied and the brother in law called my husband saying awful things about me, I’ll never forgive him. I appreciate they don’t know what’s going on, but if they had just spoken to me directly and asked why we booked the holiday, rather than calling screaming down the phone and saying horrible things to me, I would have told them what’s going on.

So I’m in a pickle. Do I leave them to turn the whole family against me (I call them both the king and queen of England as literally they can do no wrong in the family’s eyes) and just don’t say anything, don’t attend the wedding etc. or do I just bite the bullet and tell them my deeply personal issues (not even my family know and they’re my world).

Sorry for the long message, please tell me what you would do? As I said, yes, booking the holiday after knowing the plans was selfish, I’m not going to deny it, but it’s not a hen do and I’m not buying a dress with my own money, driving 4 hours away to wear it in front of 9 people I don’t know, to be told that’s not the dress they’ll be picking…it’s not a big deal? Also one final thing, she’s been so incredibly rude to me the last year, and at the family Christmas meal she sat next to me and purposely turned her back so I couldn’t speak to her the whole meal. I was at the end of the table so I had no one else to speak with…so this has been an ongoing issue with her attitude with me for a long time now…this isn’t new!

I’d just say no and say it was due to the cost, it’s as simple as that.

RosyDaysAhead · 13/09/2025 17:54

In every scenario, saying No is a full sentence. You don’t have to justify your reasoning to anyone.

TheFunDog · 13/09/2025 17:57

Does it really matter? I might have stressed about things like this in my 30's/40's but now in my 60's I don't give a fig about people I don't like.... Let them get on with the wedding of their dreams.. It won't guarantee a happy marriage....
You stay out of it and chill... Best way to get pregnant!

Laurmolonlabe · 13/09/2025 17:58

Just say you can't be part of any of the wedding plans because you can't afford it- you should not have told SIL you booked a holiday-just decline taking part in the whole thing- they have 9 count them 9 bridesmaids it's far more than enough- let them get on with it, you will not make them happy by complying you are just making a rod for your own back- refuse and there is at least an outside chance they will start respecting your choices- if not , never mind leave them to it.

Hollybollyhughes · 13/09/2025 17:59

This wedding is planned to show others how wonderful they are...not. Don't waste time nor energy. A friend's daughter is having their wedding abroad and expecting others to stump up far more than is the norm. Flights etc. accommodation with no consideration all for what? Remember if you can afford to and really want to go then fine otherwise tell them a polite no. They sound so awful I'd give it a wide birth. You have other more important and potentially important issues.

Costcogroupie · 13/09/2025 18:00

Sorry to hear about your fertility issues.

The in-laws sound rather toxic. However you really shot yourself in the foot booking a holiday over a previously agreed arrangement, especially knowing what they're like.

I'd pull out of the bridesmaid role and be prepared for them to sack you from the whole wedding. 11 more months of this shit? No thanks. Anyway you might be pregnant by then.

BTW 11 months notice for a wedding is more than reasonable.

BeAzureRaven · 13/09/2025 18:05

Here's what I would do without a second's more thinking about the matter: Decline the entire shebang. Life's too short. She sounds like a ring-tailed yard bitch and her husband-to-be just as bad. If the entire family 'turns against you', so be it. Their loss. And under NO circumstances would I share my fertility issues. None of their business.

Mum23plusC · 13/09/2025 18:06

It sounds like they are both so full of themselves and expect the world to revolve around the royal wedding. Theres no saying she wouldnt ignore you anyway, then you'll feel upset and angry about going out of your way to go (hen do/whatever). I wouldn't tell ANY of them about your attempts trying for a baby. She might hold it against you and god forbid mouth it off about having a pregnant bridesmaid!! Sod them, wait and see what comes of it. Good luck with everything x

BlueMum16 · 13/09/2025 18:13

Thirls · 12/09/2025 09:34

@Mugfills thank you for your reply! He doesn’t want the brother to know as he knows they could potentially turn our fertility issues into another reason to be nasty to us - yes, he’s that horrible. He won’t lose his relationship with his brother and has tried to protect me from many things, but wasn’t expecting the screaming call.

Ultimately he said I shouldn’t be a bridesmaid if I don’t want to be, but if I drop out it’ll be my word against theirs how the conversation goes, so his family will take their side whatever the case. He’s saying to leave it for now until they turn round to me and outright tell me I’m uninvited…

I would send her a message and say something like 'thank you for asking me to be your bridesmaid but feel it appropriate to take a step back and leave her to enjoy the planning and the day with her closest friends '.

I really wouldn't be spending time and money except in the actual wedding day. Hopefully by the hen do you'll be pregnant so can decline those too.

I wouldn't share any reason and definitely not you are TTC.

Your DH needs to support you. Enjoy your holiday.

catlover123456789 · 13/09/2025 18:19

Why on earth did you agree to be a bridesmaid or even attend this overindulgent nonsense? Just say no!

Lyraloo · 13/09/2025 18:23

Why don’t you simply send a message saying you’re actively trying for a baby and you’re expecting to be pregnant by the , so it’s best you back out now.

hcee19 · 13/09/2025 18:26

I do feel sorry for you, it's a terrible position for you to be in. If l was you, l would put myself first, this s-in-l sounds like a bloody nightmare....a dictator, not a nice person all all. Going through ivf is an emotional roller coaster, it is far from what they show on t.v....You must do what makes you happy, yes we all have to compromise, but this s-in-l is "my way or the highway" kind of person. You matter too, don't forget that...

socialdilemmawhattodo · 13/09/2025 18:28

Cinaferna · 12/09/2025 09:39

Just be honest about the costs and let them react as they please. I'd send a beautiful card and say something like:

DSiL, I was incredibly touched to be asked to be a bridesmaid, and your wedding in Expensive Foreign Place sounds incredible. We would love to come and have discussed it but we have to be honest - we simply don't have the money or anything close to cover the cots of stags, hens, planning meetings and the wedding week. It's no way possible for us and we don't want to let you down by only being around for half of it all. I am also mid IVF treatment with lots of last minute appointments and can't guarantee being around for all the planned hen dos. So we wish you the best and we'd love to see the photos. With all our love

Then buy them something generous from the wedding gift list which will be a fraction of what you would have spent on a single stag weekend.

I think this is great advice. Polite, reasonable and saves you a shedload of cash.

proseccoprincess612 · 13/09/2025 18:33

Rainbow1901 · 12/09/2025 10:30

The very fact that they are/have screaming at you on the telephone is good enough reason to say to them - I do not have to tolerate your nasty offensive telephone calls and attitude towards me. So at this point I will step down from being a bridesmaid to avoid future aggravation and disappointment Just turn it back on their unreasonable behaviour.
If anyone should question you - just turn it back on their behaviour and reiterate just that point. They don't need to know your future plans or any other reasons why - you are just stepping away for your own peace of mind.

I absolutely agree with this, I wouldn’t be someone’s bridesmaid after being screamed at etc.
I also feel to demand that their guests commit to an entire week of plans with them, or nothing at all is rather rude and entitled. Not everyone would/could be able to do this I imagine with work commitments, children, financial reasons etc, they’re not thinking rationally, and sound insufferable 🥴 I’d politely decline their invitation of being a bridesmaid, it sounds like you’ll save yourself a lot of hassle in the long run, and setting the bar for exactly what you should and shouldn’t accept. I would explain after careful consideration it just isn’t financially affordable etc and leave it at that.
As for your holiday booking, that’s yours and your husbands choice, good luck ttc 💛 I hope everything goes ok x

Lucelady · 13/09/2025 18:38

You are not being unreasonable.

In had a work colleague scream down the phone at me a few weeks ago.
I'm just waiting until next month to resign.

No one has the right to scream at you or turn their back at a dinning table.
They might have money but no class.
You need to toughen up with this lot of infantile bulies. You're not a punch bag.

I find the phrase 'fuck off' works wonders.

Soberinthecity · 13/09/2025 18:46

ExtraOnions · 12/09/2025 09:32

So … if we strip this down:

You don’t like your in-laws
She asked you to be a Bridesmaid, which you accepted
There was a Bridesmaid meeting you had agreed to go to
You have now booked a holiday instead, so can’t go
She’s pissed off with you

I’m not surprised she’s pissed off, you’ve not said it’s because you are trying for a baby ( will where you have sex really make a difference?), it just looks like you have blown her out for a jolly.

The rest of the post is just “noise” to post her in the worst light, and you in the best … so you can get the validation of strangers that you are not being unreasonable.

It’s another of those posts where someone has already decided they are not being unreasonable, so constructs a narrative to make themselves feel better.

What they said! 👌🏼

AmazonianWarrior · 13/09/2025 18:49

Thirls · 12/09/2025 09:24

Hello! I wanted some honest advice here. It’s a long one so buckle in if you have the time to help - thank you in advance 🩷

My BIL/SIL are insufferable, they will introduce themselves to strangers and within seconds will say how well off they are and are extremely entitled people. They also have serious tempers, very nasty and have screamed down the phone to us on many occasions - baring in mind they live on the other end of the country so we don’t see them often (thank god).

Anyway, they’re getting married abroad, they’ve given us just 11 months notice and it’s going to cost us £2k each to fly, stay, attend multiple gatherings including the wedding day. He’s having 4 stag dos, she’s having two - one of each are abroad too. We got married last year but it was local and never expected people to drop everything to attend, we know it’s a big ask and an expense, I was grateful if someone sent us a card honestly. They have not once acknowledged how much it costs for guests and have even told us that if we don’t stay the whole week for the wedding, then we shouldn’t go at all, and that goes for all the guests - their entitlement is rather clear now I think!

We have been going through fertility struggles this last year (who knew it was so difficult to make a baby!?) and I have been going through tests recently, so is my husband. Thankfully my test came back great so that was a massive relief - now just waiting on my husbands. I had an early loss in June sadly which led to a lot of pain, both physically and emotionally. And since then, it’s been a tough ride for me. I don’t feel comfortable at the thought of going abroad as I really do hope to be pregnant by then.

Now, I asked the SIL to be my bridesmaid last year, it just made sense as we’re family (sadly) and have to get along, so it was a safe choice. She’s now asked me to be one of her 9, which I knew she was just asking by default. She wants multiple gatherings, all of which are 4 hours drive away, and all she wants to do on a weekday. So as these are just planning/gatherings, they’re not hen dos, I said I would struggle to attend, but I specifically messaged her twice to say please don’t fuss about my availability and I’ll be supporting from afar and would love to see pictures of the night! I know from a brides perspective how difficult it is to get people together, and it’s expected one or two can’t make it…sadly, they don’t think the same.

I messaged SIL explaining that I couldn’t make the night she planned as we’ve booked a last minute holiday, it’s our last ditch attempt as I’ve timed it with my cycle, so I’ll be ovulating while we’re away, so I’m hoping being on holiday will help us conceive (that’s how I conceived earlier this year before the miscarriage). Yes, it’s a selfish thing to have booked it knowing she had this bridesmaid evening booked, I’m not making out I’m a saint here. But they don’t know our fertility struggles, and I don’t want them to know. But without them knowing, we probably are coming across as unreasonable.

So this is where I’m stuck (also this evening I am missing is just a bottle of wine and trying on some dresses, it’s not booked at a shop, she told everyone to buy their own dress and bring it with them to try on in front of everyone - it’s not a big thing in my opinion). She’s not replied and the brother in law called my husband saying awful things about me, I’ll never forgive him. I appreciate they don’t know what’s going on, but if they had just spoken to me directly and asked why we booked the holiday, rather than calling screaming down the phone and saying horrible things to me, I would have told them what’s going on.

So I’m in a pickle. Do I leave them to turn the whole family against me (I call them both the king and queen of England as literally they can do no wrong in the family’s eyes) and just don’t say anything, don’t attend the wedding etc. or do I just bite the bullet and tell them my deeply personal issues (not even my family know and they’re my world).

Sorry for the long message, please tell me what you would do? As I said, yes, booking the holiday after knowing the plans was selfish, I’m not going to deny it, but it’s not a hen do and I’m not buying a dress with my own money, driving 4 hours away to wear it in front of 9 people I don’t know, to be told that’s not the dress they’ll be picking…it’s not a big deal? Also one final thing, she’s been so incredibly rude to me the last year, and at the family Christmas meal she sat next to me and purposely turned her back so I couldn’t speak to her the whole meal. I was at the end of the table so I had no one else to speak with…so this has been an ongoing issue with her attitude with me for a long time now…this isn’t new!

I’d not go! If they get pissed off with you and DH, who cares?! At least you might never hear from them and never have to suffer them again! Spend your time, money, every and affections on people who deserve it!

swingingbytheseat · 13/09/2025 18:50

They sound like competitive arseholes. I wouldn’t go either Op

woolandflowers · 13/09/2025 18:52

I don’t think you need to tell her why you can’t come in the first place - 4 hen dos / events is ridiculous. Some people are just so self-centred when it comes to weddings. Your BIL and SIL sound like bullies in general and I would just focus on yourself. And make sure your DH also stands up for you too - it is unacceptable behaviour to scream at people. Best of luck OP xxx

MamaDemi · 13/09/2025 19:04

Mugfills · 12/09/2025 09:29

What was your husband's response to the BIL call?

This is his issue to resolve IMO, but the upshot is if you don't want to go, don't go and if you don't want to be a bridesmaid, say that.

None of the other stuff is really that relevant, beyond justifying your position in your own mind.

Oh Mugfills, you are the friend I need… so cut and dry. Hahah I’m definitely a waffler like the OP hahaha

Treesandsheepeverywhere · 13/09/2025 19:17

ExtraOnions · 12/09/2025 09:32

So … if we strip this down:

You don’t like your in-laws
She asked you to be a Bridesmaid, which you accepted
There was a Bridesmaid meeting you had agreed to go to
You have now booked a holiday instead, so can’t go
She’s pissed off with you

I’m not surprised she’s pissed off, you’ve not said it’s because you are trying for a baby ( will where you have sex really make a difference?), it just looks like you have blown her out for a jolly.

The rest of the post is just “noise” to post her in the worst light, and you in the best … so you can get the validation of strangers that you are not being unreasonable.

It’s another of those posts where someone has already decided they are not being unreasonable, so constructs a narrative to make themselves feel better.

Agree with this too. They can't read your mind on the reason.

Milosc · 13/09/2025 19:31

You have a husband problem. There is no way he should be letting his family treat you that way. You can have boundaries and he should be helping to enforce them with you. He sounds quite unwilling to insist his family respect you. That is a huge problem. I would not be considering having a child with a man who lets his family speak horribly about you and treating you poorly. He should be protecting you, not listing to vile insults. It will only get worse and he needs to grow a spine.

FattyMallow · 13/09/2025 19:33

You're not being unreasonable for not wanting to go but looks like you've issues with being honest about yourself and communicating to your family, your needs are more important to you than theirs in an honest or open way. This could be because you won't like what you find out but it is the first step toward improvement.