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I can’t stand my brother-in-law…and his abroad wedding…

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Thirls · 12/09/2025 09:24

Hello! I wanted some honest advice here. It’s a long one so buckle in if you have the time to help - thank you in advance 🩷

My BIL/SIL are insufferable, they will introduce themselves to strangers and within seconds will say how well off they are and are extremely entitled people. They also have serious tempers, very nasty and have screamed down the phone to us on many occasions - baring in mind they live on the other end of the country so we don’t see them often (thank god).

Anyway, they’re getting married abroad, they’ve given us just 11 months notice and it’s going to cost us £2k each to fly, stay, attend multiple gatherings including the wedding day. He’s having 4 stag dos, she’s having two - one of each are abroad too. We got married last year but it was local and never expected people to drop everything to attend, we know it’s a big ask and an expense, I was grateful if someone sent us a card honestly. They have not once acknowledged how much it costs for guests and have even told us that if we don’t stay the whole week for the wedding, then we shouldn’t go at all, and that goes for all the guests - their entitlement is rather clear now I think!

We have been going through fertility struggles this last year (who knew it was so difficult to make a baby!?) and I have been going through tests recently, so is my husband. Thankfully my test came back great so that was a massive relief - now just waiting on my husbands. I had an early loss in June sadly which led to a lot of pain, both physically and emotionally. And since then, it’s been a tough ride for me. I don’t feel comfortable at the thought of going abroad as I really do hope to be pregnant by then.

Now, I asked the SIL to be my bridesmaid last year, it just made sense as we’re family (sadly) and have to get along, so it was a safe choice. She’s now asked me to be one of her 9, which I knew she was just asking by default. She wants multiple gatherings, all of which are 4 hours drive away, and all she wants to do on a weekday. So as these are just planning/gatherings, they’re not hen dos, I said I would struggle to attend, but I specifically messaged her twice to say please don’t fuss about my availability and I’ll be supporting from afar and would love to see pictures of the night! I know from a brides perspective how difficult it is to get people together, and it’s expected one or two can’t make it…sadly, they don’t think the same.

I messaged SIL explaining that I couldn’t make the night she planned as we’ve booked a last minute holiday, it’s our last ditch attempt as I’ve timed it with my cycle, so I’ll be ovulating while we’re away, so I’m hoping being on holiday will help us conceive (that’s how I conceived earlier this year before the miscarriage). Yes, it’s a selfish thing to have booked it knowing she had this bridesmaid evening booked, I’m not making out I’m a saint here. But they don’t know our fertility struggles, and I don’t want them to know. But without them knowing, we probably are coming across as unreasonable.

So this is where I’m stuck (also this evening I am missing is just a bottle of wine and trying on some dresses, it’s not booked at a shop, she told everyone to buy their own dress and bring it with them to try on in front of everyone - it’s not a big thing in my opinion). She’s not replied and the brother in law called my husband saying awful things about me, I’ll never forgive him. I appreciate they don’t know what’s going on, but if they had just spoken to me directly and asked why we booked the holiday, rather than calling screaming down the phone and saying horrible things to me, I would have told them what’s going on.

So I’m in a pickle. Do I leave them to turn the whole family against me (I call them both the king and queen of England as literally they can do no wrong in the family’s eyes) and just don’t say anything, don’t attend the wedding etc. or do I just bite the bullet and tell them my deeply personal issues (not even my family know and they’re my world).

Sorry for the long message, please tell me what you would do? As I said, yes, booking the holiday after knowing the plans was selfish, I’m not going to deny it, but it’s not a hen do and I’m not buying a dress with my own money, driving 4 hours away to wear it in front of 9 people I don’t know, to be told that’s not the dress they’ll be picking…it’s not a big deal? Also one final thing, she’s been so incredibly rude to me the last year, and at the family Christmas meal she sat next to me and purposely turned her back so I couldn’t speak to her the whole meal. I was at the end of the table so I had no one else to speak with…so this has been an ongoing issue with her attitude with me for a long time now…this isn’t new!

OP posts:
JulieM50 · 12/09/2025 11:31

TheCurious0range · 12/09/2025 09:33

I was going to reply but this sums it up

You complain she asked you by default but so did you to her! You shouldn't have accepted if you didn't want to do it.

This is the truth..you blame her for her attitude but it's her wedding and appreciate that sometimes Brides do get all consumed by it all whether good or bad but you knew this event was happening and booked a f**k you holiday for you and your husband and get upset that shes mad!
They don't know your struggles and you expect them to be accommodating to you but they have no idea of how bad it is for you and a shame that you can't enlist the help of some member of your family who can bat in your court for you! Hopefully you will get pregnant on your holiday but you are putting a lot of pressure on each other as you can do that at home
Saying you can't afford it whilst going on holiday is again a kick in the teeth to them and now feels personal

Chompingatthebeat · 12/09/2025 11:31

I love an abroad wedding

Chillyourbeansweeman · 12/09/2025 11:32

It sounds like your brother in law has been bullying your husband( and family) for a long time and is used to walking on egg shells around him to keep the peace.He probably doesn’t realise this is an abusive relationship. It’s your husbands choice to start standing up to him but you can make your own choices. They’re both controlling bullies. Call them up and tell them you won’t be bullied anymore and won’t be attending their wedding or anything else to do with it. Draw the line in the sand right now.

thebabayaga2025 · 12/09/2025 11:35

Part of this is your own fault, you chose to be a doormat and put up with these people before, and now you're stuck in their circle.

Of course don't go and just phase them out from your life as much as possible.

CunningLinguist2 · 12/09/2025 11:36

Thirls · 12/09/2025 09:24

Hello! I wanted some honest advice here. It’s a long one so buckle in if you have the time to help - thank you in advance 🩷

My BIL/SIL are insufferable, they will introduce themselves to strangers and within seconds will say how well off they are and are extremely entitled people. They also have serious tempers, very nasty and have screamed down the phone to us on many occasions - baring in mind they live on the other end of the country so we don’t see them often (thank god).

Anyway, they’re getting married abroad, they’ve given us just 11 months notice and it’s going to cost us £2k each to fly, stay, attend multiple gatherings including the wedding day. He’s having 4 stag dos, she’s having two - one of each are abroad too. We got married last year but it was local and never expected people to drop everything to attend, we know it’s a big ask and an expense, I was grateful if someone sent us a card honestly. They have not once acknowledged how much it costs for guests and have even told us that if we don’t stay the whole week for the wedding, then we shouldn’t go at all, and that goes for all the guests - their entitlement is rather clear now I think!

We have been going through fertility struggles this last year (who knew it was so difficult to make a baby!?) and I have been going through tests recently, so is my husband. Thankfully my test came back great so that was a massive relief - now just waiting on my husbands. I had an early loss in June sadly which led to a lot of pain, both physically and emotionally. And since then, it’s been a tough ride for me. I don’t feel comfortable at the thought of going abroad as I really do hope to be pregnant by then.

Now, I asked the SIL to be my bridesmaid last year, it just made sense as we’re family (sadly) and have to get along, so it was a safe choice. She’s now asked me to be one of her 9, which I knew she was just asking by default. She wants multiple gatherings, all of which are 4 hours drive away, and all she wants to do on a weekday. So as these are just planning/gatherings, they’re not hen dos, I said I would struggle to attend, but I specifically messaged her twice to say please don’t fuss about my availability and I’ll be supporting from afar and would love to see pictures of the night! I know from a brides perspective how difficult it is to get people together, and it’s expected one or two can’t make it…sadly, they don’t think the same.

I messaged SIL explaining that I couldn’t make the night she planned as we’ve booked a last minute holiday, it’s our last ditch attempt as I’ve timed it with my cycle, so I’ll be ovulating while we’re away, so I’m hoping being on holiday will help us conceive (that’s how I conceived earlier this year before the miscarriage). Yes, it’s a selfish thing to have booked it knowing she had this bridesmaid evening booked, I’m not making out I’m a saint here. But they don’t know our fertility struggles, and I don’t want them to know. But without them knowing, we probably are coming across as unreasonable.

So this is where I’m stuck (also this evening I am missing is just a bottle of wine and trying on some dresses, it’s not booked at a shop, she told everyone to buy their own dress and bring it with them to try on in front of everyone - it’s not a big thing in my opinion). She’s not replied and the brother in law called my husband saying awful things about me, I’ll never forgive him. I appreciate they don’t know what’s going on, but if they had just spoken to me directly and asked why we booked the holiday, rather than calling screaming down the phone and saying horrible things to me, I would have told them what’s going on.

So I’m in a pickle. Do I leave them to turn the whole family against me (I call them both the king and queen of England as literally they can do no wrong in the family’s eyes) and just don’t say anything, don’t attend the wedding etc. or do I just bite the bullet and tell them my deeply personal issues (not even my family know and they’re my world).

Sorry for the long message, please tell me what you would do? As I said, yes, booking the holiday after knowing the plans was selfish, I’m not going to deny it, but it’s not a hen do and I’m not buying a dress with my own money, driving 4 hours away to wear it in front of 9 people I don’t know, to be told that’s not the dress they’ll be picking…it’s not a big deal? Also one final thing, she’s been so incredibly rude to me the last year, and at the family Christmas meal she sat next to me and purposely turned her back so I couldn’t speak to her the whole meal. I was at the end of the table so I had no one else to speak with…so this has been an ongoing issue with her attitude with me for a long time now…this isn’t new!

No pickle at all. Tell them to get to fuck. No way would I attend the wedding, 6 hendos/stagdos, get togethers etc. "Bye, Felicia!"

Shatteredallthetimelately · 12/09/2025 11:38

They have not once acknowledged how much it costs for guests and have even told us that if we don’t stay the whole week for the wedding, then we shouldn’t go at all, and that goes for all the guests

Why are you even giving this thought.

If I didn't get on with them and a family member of mine had said what you've written above I'd take that as my get out.

You live a distant away so don't see them often anyway and as much as some families are close many just aren't, it happenes and that's fine, you really don't need to continue to say "how high" everytime they say jump.

Unless you rely on family members for help in any way and would be in desperate need I'd honestly not give two hoots if they saw you as the bad guy, which incidentally they probably wouldn't if they know, and they do, what your SIL/BIL are really like.

No one has a right to dictate that you have to spend stupid amounts of your own money so they can have you attend their wedding, especially when you don't really want to be there. Choosing a wedding abroad is a chance they take, and yes I've turned down weddings over seas due to having, IMO better things to spend my money on, no offence was taken and if it was I'd really wouldn't of been concerned.

As long as you and DH are on the same page that's all that matters...and if he's not let him know you're fine if he goes on his own, you'll take no offence there either.

milveycrohn · 12/09/2025 11:42

Weddings are stressful and abroad ones, even more so.
Normally, I'd say that you do not have to like your in laws, but just get on with them for the sake of your DH.
In this case, tho, they sound incredibly nasty.
I would turn down being a bridesmaid, as it's so stressful, etc
I'm not sure about the wedding, tho 4 days is excessive.
I've always assumed people have weddings abroad as a means of 'trimming' the guest list anyway. I probably would turn that down as well.
It's 11 months away, and if you finally get pregnant, it would add to the stress due to the previous miscarriage.
So I'd decline all of it.

Wildgoat · 12/09/2025 11:42

if he was genuinely “screaming” on the phone, of course you should cut all contact and drop out of being bridesmaid, however I suspect very strongly there was no screaming.

it does read like you agreed to be bridesmaid, and booked a holiday when you should have been at the dress try on with the bride and the other bridesmaids and are trying to paint them as bad as possible so you can get people on line to hurl abuse at them and say how in the right you are.

onky you know the truth,

Loubylie · 12/09/2025 11:42

Cinaferna · 12/09/2025 09:39

Just be honest about the costs and let them react as they please. I'd send a beautiful card and say something like:

DSiL, I was incredibly touched to be asked to be a bridesmaid, and your wedding in Expensive Foreign Place sounds incredible. We would love to come and have discussed it but we have to be honest - we simply don't have the money or anything close to cover the cots of stags, hens, planning meetings and the wedding week. It's no way possible for us and we don't want to let you down by only being around for half of it all. I am also mid IVF treatment with lots of last minute appointments and can't guarantee being around for all the planned hen dos. So we wish you the best and we'd love to see the photos. With all our love

Then buy them something generous from the wedding gift list which will be a fraction of what you would have spent on a single stag weekend.

This is very good but I would take out any reference to fertility issues. And instead of saying you can't afford it I would say we don't want to spend so much, eg: "to be honest we don't want to commit so much time and money to the costs of w, x, y and z"

Good luck and be polite but firm. They are completely bonkers to expect so much from their guests.

OhNameChangeyThingie · 12/09/2025 11:44

Chompingatthebeat · 12/09/2025 11:31

I love an abroad wedding

I think it depends on the couple.

I've been to one and totally resented the money and time. However, I am invited to one next year and I can't wait. It's in a great place and the couple are a right laugh. It'll be a hoot.

Renamed · 12/09/2025 11:46

You don’t like them, and anyone can see why, you don’t want to go to their awful hen dos, you can’t afford their stupid wedding - don’t go! Why would you go? You might never have to see them again, that could only be a good thing.

Chompingatthebeat · 12/09/2025 11:46

OhNameChangeyThingie · 12/09/2025 11:44

I think it depends on the couple.

I've been to one and totally resented the money and time. However, I am invited to one next year and I can't wait. It's in a great place and the couple are a right laugh. It'll be a hoot.

I think of it as an exciting oppotunity to visit somewhere new

DrySherry · 12/09/2025 11:47

ExtraOnions · 12/09/2025 09:32

So … if we strip this down:

You don’t like your in-laws
She asked you to be a Bridesmaid, which you accepted
There was a Bridesmaid meeting you had agreed to go to
You have now booked a holiday instead, so can’t go
She’s pissed off with you

I’m not surprised she’s pissed off, you’ve not said it’s because you are trying for a baby ( will where you have sex really make a difference?), it just looks like you have blown her out for a jolly.

The rest of the post is just “noise” to post her in the worst light, and you in the best … so you can get the validation of strangers that you are not being unreasonable.

It’s another of those posts where someone has already decided they are not being unreasonable, so constructs a narrative to make themselves feel better.

This

pikkumyy77 · 12/09/2025 11:48

Cinaferna · 12/09/2025 09:39

Just be honest about the costs and let them react as they please. I'd send a beautiful card and say something like:

DSiL, I was incredibly touched to be asked to be a bridesmaid, and your wedding in Expensive Foreign Place sounds incredible. We would love to come and have discussed it but we have to be honest - we simply don't have the money or anything close to cover the cots of stags, hens, planning meetings and the wedding week. It's no way possible for us and we don't want to let you down by only being around for half of it all. I am also mid IVF treatment with lots of last minute appointments and can't guarantee being around for all the planned hen dos. So we wish you the best and we'd love to see the photos. With all our love

Then buy them something generous from the wedding gift list which will be a fraction of what you would have spent on a single stag weekend.

But why doesn’t her DH do it—man to man to the groom. Sure it would be awkward but anything other than dh doing it just lets them continue to abuse OP. They gave to present a united front.

TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 12/09/2025 12:01

This
Say no thanks, you really appreciate the offer to be a bridesmaid but you don't want to take on a commitment that you can't fulfil for personal reasons. Thanks for the invitations to the hen do(s), but you're saving up to attend their wedding.

Polite and final. You can decide what to do about the actual wedding in the event you are pregnant and have a doctors instruction not to fly

TorroFerney · 12/09/2025 12:01

EuclidianGeometryFan · 12/09/2025 10:17

but if I drop out it’ll be my word against theirs how the conversation goes, so his family will take their side whatever the case

This is where you are going wrong: you actually care what "side" his family takes, and care whether they think you are lying.

The solution is not to care.

Why do you care what his family thinks of you?

Do you realise you don't have to have anything to do with them if you don't want to? DH can see his family whenever he wants without you.

Agree, it’s not a court of law where you have to prove your innocence. People will believe what they want to believe, usually to keep the peace. You can’t control what people think so do what you want to do.

your husband is atrocious though, you are his family where is his loyalty? Assume he’s been groomed from early on , is brother the golden child?

people who scream and shout have lost any argument they may have from the first shouty word. Step away, it’s becoming your normal this state of conflict and the danger is you start ti get an odd kick out of it and perversely miss it. detach and value the peace.

user9064385631 · 12/09/2025 12:03

Always amazes me what people put up with because “family!”
You don’t like them, they don’t seem to like you. Just reduce contact with them, starting with the expensive inconvenient wedding - if you get married abroad you surely expect at least a few people not to be able to come.

Strawbaler · 12/09/2025 12:05

STOP! Just STOP!

If these people are as awful as you say, then STOP trying to ‘do right’ by them - it will NEVER work out.

Focus on your own family, which you are trying so hard to conceive. Do what’s right for you. Go on your holiday.

Don’t be her bridesmaid. Say you’re ill if you have to, I mean… 1 of 9??? It’s almost ludicrous.

You will have to accept that they will try to paint you as ‘bad’, but I think that’s going to happen whatever you do?

You have to grown thicker skin now, people like this don’t change, and they’ll probably be divorcing soon anyway xxx

FlowerUser · 12/09/2025 12:09

If @Thirls is successful in conceiving on this last minute holiday, won't she be heavily pregnant and/or have a tiny baby when the wedding comes?

Just drop out of being a bridesmaid and book everything flexibly in case she has to cancel for being too pregnant to fly, or add a small baby to the flight.

Honestly, I would probably decline the whole thing. Let them think what they like.

RitaFires · 12/09/2025 12:14

The only way to win with those kinds of people is to not play. By booking a holiday during a time you already agreed to plans with SIL it looks like you are playing and trying to send passive aggressive messages about how you feel about her and her wedding.

I would not mention TTC to them at all, if they're as awful as you say it will get thrown in your face and only cause you more stress.

Decide with DH how you're going to approach his family and the wedding going forward and then just stick to that decision and you won't have to stress about it anymore.

the7Vabo · 12/09/2025 12:15

Strawbaler · 12/09/2025 12:05

STOP! Just STOP!

If these people are as awful as you say, then STOP trying to ‘do right’ by them - it will NEVER work out.

Focus on your own family, which you are trying so hard to conceive. Do what’s right for you. Go on your holiday.

Don’t be her bridesmaid. Say you’re ill if you have to, I mean… 1 of 9??? It’s almost ludicrous.

You will have to accept that they will try to paint you as ‘bad’, but I think that’s going to happen whatever you do?

You have to grown thicker skin now, people like this don’t change, and they’ll probably be divorcing soon anyway xxx

“Focus on your own family” - her husband’s brother is his family.

The OP is now at the next stage - babies, but when it was her turn she asked SIL to be BM & SIL obliged.

So if you want to get along with husband’s family don’t do stuff like say you’ll be BM and attend an event, and then book a holiday with not so much as an apology or polite explanation (which doesn’t have to be the truth).

Bigcat25 · 12/09/2025 12:16

I would tell them you're having fertility treatment on that day, or a medical procedure if you don't want to tell them the details. They can do with that info what they want.

Cinaferna · 12/09/2025 12:16

pikkumyy77 · 12/09/2025 11:48

But why doesn’t her DH do it—man to man to the groom. Sure it would be awkward but anything other than dh doing it just lets them continue to abuse OP. They gave to present a united front.

Yes, he could/should send the message or it could come from both of them.

CheeseWisely · 12/09/2025 12:17

Full disclosure, didn’t read the whole OP because I was already replying ‘just don’t go’ by the third paragraph.

Muffinmam · 12/09/2025 12:18

Just say you have a migraine condition and can’t commit.