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I can’t stand my brother-in-law…and his abroad wedding…

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Thirls · 12/09/2025 09:24

Hello! I wanted some honest advice here. It’s a long one so buckle in if you have the time to help - thank you in advance 🩷

My BIL/SIL are insufferable, they will introduce themselves to strangers and within seconds will say how well off they are and are extremely entitled people. They also have serious tempers, very nasty and have screamed down the phone to us on many occasions - baring in mind they live on the other end of the country so we don’t see them often (thank god).

Anyway, they’re getting married abroad, they’ve given us just 11 months notice and it’s going to cost us £2k each to fly, stay, attend multiple gatherings including the wedding day. He’s having 4 stag dos, she’s having two - one of each are abroad too. We got married last year but it was local and never expected people to drop everything to attend, we know it’s a big ask and an expense, I was grateful if someone sent us a card honestly. They have not once acknowledged how much it costs for guests and have even told us that if we don’t stay the whole week for the wedding, then we shouldn’t go at all, and that goes for all the guests - their entitlement is rather clear now I think!

We have been going through fertility struggles this last year (who knew it was so difficult to make a baby!?) and I have been going through tests recently, so is my husband. Thankfully my test came back great so that was a massive relief - now just waiting on my husbands. I had an early loss in June sadly which led to a lot of pain, both physically and emotionally. And since then, it’s been a tough ride for me. I don’t feel comfortable at the thought of going abroad as I really do hope to be pregnant by then.

Now, I asked the SIL to be my bridesmaid last year, it just made sense as we’re family (sadly) and have to get along, so it was a safe choice. She’s now asked me to be one of her 9, which I knew she was just asking by default. She wants multiple gatherings, all of which are 4 hours drive away, and all she wants to do on a weekday. So as these are just planning/gatherings, they’re not hen dos, I said I would struggle to attend, but I specifically messaged her twice to say please don’t fuss about my availability and I’ll be supporting from afar and would love to see pictures of the night! I know from a brides perspective how difficult it is to get people together, and it’s expected one or two can’t make it…sadly, they don’t think the same.

I messaged SIL explaining that I couldn’t make the night she planned as we’ve booked a last minute holiday, it’s our last ditch attempt as I’ve timed it with my cycle, so I’ll be ovulating while we’re away, so I’m hoping being on holiday will help us conceive (that’s how I conceived earlier this year before the miscarriage). Yes, it’s a selfish thing to have booked it knowing she had this bridesmaid evening booked, I’m not making out I’m a saint here. But they don’t know our fertility struggles, and I don’t want them to know. But without them knowing, we probably are coming across as unreasonable.

So this is where I’m stuck (also this evening I am missing is just a bottle of wine and trying on some dresses, it’s not booked at a shop, she told everyone to buy their own dress and bring it with them to try on in front of everyone - it’s not a big thing in my opinion). She’s not replied and the brother in law called my husband saying awful things about me, I’ll never forgive him. I appreciate they don’t know what’s going on, but if they had just spoken to me directly and asked why we booked the holiday, rather than calling screaming down the phone and saying horrible things to me, I would have told them what’s going on.

So I’m in a pickle. Do I leave them to turn the whole family against me (I call them both the king and queen of England as literally they can do no wrong in the family’s eyes) and just don’t say anything, don’t attend the wedding etc. or do I just bite the bullet and tell them my deeply personal issues (not even my family know and they’re my world).

Sorry for the long message, please tell me what you would do? As I said, yes, booking the holiday after knowing the plans was selfish, I’m not going to deny it, but it’s not a hen do and I’m not buying a dress with my own money, driving 4 hours away to wear it in front of 9 people I don’t know, to be told that’s not the dress they’ll be picking…it’s not a big deal? Also one final thing, she’s been so incredibly rude to me the last year, and at the family Christmas meal she sat next to me and purposely turned her back so I couldn’t speak to her the whole meal. I was at the end of the table so I had no one else to speak with…so this has been an ongoing issue with her attitude with me for a long time now…this isn’t new!

OP posts:
Complet · 12/09/2025 10:50

ExtraOnions · 12/09/2025 09:32

So … if we strip this down:

You don’t like your in-laws
She asked you to be a Bridesmaid, which you accepted
There was a Bridesmaid meeting you had agreed to go to
You have now booked a holiday instead, so can’t go
She’s pissed off with you

I’m not surprised she’s pissed off, you’ve not said it’s because you are trying for a baby ( will where you have sex really make a difference?), it just looks like you have blown her out for a jolly.

The rest of the post is just “noise” to post her in the worst light, and you in the best … so you can get the validation of strangers that you are not being unreasonable.

It’s another of those posts where someone has already decided they are not being unreasonable, so constructs a narrative to make themselves feel better.

This in a nutshell really. If you don’t want to go, then don’t. Your choice of wedding is not relevant to theirs. You’ve now booked a holiday and not told them which isn’t going to paint you in a good light.

Neemie · 12/09/2025 10:50

You can’t let her down and retain the moral high ground. They will think you are being selfish but does that matter? If it really bothers you then you will have to go along with all the wedding nonsense.

Snorlaxo · 12/09/2025 10:50

You need to accept that you can’t win or make others realise that the couple are a nightmare. SIL is the golden woman and whether you declined the bridesmaid gig when asked or drop out later, you are going to be the one in the wrong. Your h supports you and knows what you’re going through and that’s all that counts. Drop out now and save yourself the expense, stress and time of this circus.

Whatever you do, don’t admit the truth. Her wedding clearly trumps everything in the family and she has the support. Even if you were wrongly locked in a jail or confined to a hospital bed, you won’t win. It’s another stick to beat you with and they will broadcast it to all and sundry that you picked a dirty weekend over a precious bridesmaid dress event for her. That’s the only angle that people can legitimately feel sorry for her.

You picked SIL as a bridesmaid out of moral obligation so can’t complain that she did the same back. If she didn’t pick you then you’d feel snubbed and annoyed that she lacks manners.

GentlemenPreferBuzzcuts · 12/09/2025 10:51

TheCurious0range · 12/09/2025 09:33

I was going to reply but this sums it up

You complain she asked you by default but so did you to her! You shouldn't have accepted if you didn't want to do it.

Exactly this. You don’t like her, she doesn’t like you. You both asked one another to be bridesmaids because you thought you were supposed to, and because you haven’t (understandably) told her about your fertility problems and booked a holiday thst clashes with a pre-arranged bridesmaid event, you look uninterested, and she’s cross.

I’d just step down from being a bridesmaid, and let DH decide on the wedding. It’s presumably his brother and his fiancée were talking about here, right?

I’m quite fond of DH’s siblings, but he handles all communication with them.

the7Vabo · 12/09/2025 10:54

TheOtherAgentJohnson · 12/09/2025 10:36

You and your SIL don't like each other, and both asked the other to be bridesmaid out of obligation. You framed this as you doing it to get along with your in-laws (because you're so nice and humble), and her doing it only because she had to in return (because she's so self-centred and demanding).

In her version of the story, she will frame this nonsense in a way that makes you look like the bad guy.

You can either:
Grow a pair, be honest and say you've got too much on to be a bridesmaid at the moment - she will be relieved.

Or:
Go along with the charade, whinging behind the scenes and causing tension and arguments, and be one of those families in which everyone constantly bitches about meaningless shite that happened decades ago.

Fertility issues are not easy but often temporary. My sister’s fertility issues overshadowed my kids being born within our nuclear family despite the fact that she’d been trying for less than a year. She then had two kids in very quick succession & a big fuss was made. Her feelings & the level of tension she created by making it obvious that my pregnancy upset her really overshadowed my second pregnancy, whereas when it was her turn everything got to be joyous & wonderful.

You had your wedding, you choose your SIL to be BM and she obliged. It’s her turn now.

Having a miscarriage is very upsetting & I’m very sorry to hear it. But booking a holiday with no explanation is rude. You should have offered some kind of explanation - health issue, work stress, apologised and kept the peace.

Miniaturemom · 12/09/2025 11:00

I wouldn’t have booked the holiday, personally. However I’d say don’t spend the money you’ll be resentful forever. She’s not going to change, there’s no treasured relationship to preserve here, don’t go to any of it. There’s no shame in saying it’s just too far out of your budget, and if they judge you for that, does that change anything? You don’t owe them an explanation about your personal struggles, she likely wouldn’t be sympathetic anyway.
A wedding is just the beginning, there may be many many more family events to navigate in future, put your foot down (politely) now.

gannett · 12/09/2025 11:02

Now, I asked the SIL to be my bridesmaid last year, it just made sense as we’re family (sadly) and have to get along, so it was a safe choice.

It makes no sense at all given how much you dislike her.

Forcing yourself into a parody of "getting along" with people you find insufferable is an absurd thing to do, I don't care whether they're family or not. The normal reaction is to keep people you don't like at arm's length and maintain civility when you have to. Not to invite them further into your life!

Your problem isn't the nuts and bolts of their insane wedding planning. Your problem is that you've willingly intertwined yourself way, way closer to them than you need to be.

I wouldn't have agreed to be her bridesmaid, nor have anything to do with the wedding planning. At the very most I'd have picked one of the hen parties that was most convenient for me, if invited, and showed my face at the wedding. That's it. That's all you have to do.

(Although to go back a bit, if anyone screamed down the phone at me even once, they wouldn't be in my life after that - and nor would anyone who tried to guilt me about that.)

the7Vabo · 12/09/2025 11:03

Miniaturemom · 12/09/2025 11:00

I wouldn’t have booked the holiday, personally. However I’d say don’t spend the money you’ll be resentful forever. She’s not going to change, there’s no treasured relationship to preserve here, don’t go to any of it. There’s no shame in saying it’s just too far out of your budget, and if they judge you for that, does that change anything? You don’t owe them an explanation about your personal struggles, she likely wouldn’t be sympathetic anyway.
A wedding is just the beginning, there may be many many more family events to navigate in future, put your foot down (politely) now.

If it’s genuinely out of your budget ok.

But if it’s actually that you don’t care about their wedding & you think it’s OTT remember that they did the “right thing” when it was your wedding.

SIL may not have asked you to be BM if you hadn’t asked her.

Within the extended family you had your wedding & were celebrated. It’s now their turn, don’t do anything to a take from it or overshadow it.

GentlemenPreferBuzzcuts · 12/09/2025 11:04

gannett · 12/09/2025 11:02

Now, I asked the SIL to be my bridesmaid last year, it just made sense as we’re family (sadly) and have to get along, so it was a safe choice.

It makes no sense at all given how much you dislike her.

Forcing yourself into a parody of "getting along" with people you find insufferable is an absurd thing to do, I don't care whether they're family or not. The normal reaction is to keep people you don't like at arm's length and maintain civility when you have to. Not to invite them further into your life!

Your problem isn't the nuts and bolts of their insane wedding planning. Your problem is that you've willingly intertwined yourself way, way closer to them than you need to be.

I wouldn't have agreed to be her bridesmaid, nor have anything to do with the wedding planning. At the very most I'd have picked one of the hen parties that was most convenient for me, if invited, and showed my face at the wedding. That's it. That's all you have to do.

(Although to go back a bit, if anyone screamed down the phone at me even once, they wouldn't be in my life after that - and nor would anyone who tried to guilt me about that.)

I’d agree with this.

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 12/09/2025 11:07

Cinaferna · 12/09/2025 09:39

Just be honest about the costs and let them react as they please. I'd send a beautiful card and say something like:

DSiL, I was incredibly touched to be asked to be a bridesmaid, and your wedding in Expensive Foreign Place sounds incredible. We would love to come and have discussed it but we have to be honest - we simply don't have the money or anything close to cover the cots of stags, hens, planning meetings and the wedding week. It's no way possible for us and we don't want to let you down by only being around for half of it all. I am also mid IVF treatment with lots of last minute appointments and can't guarantee being around for all the planned hen dos. So we wish you the best and we'd love to see the photos. With all our love

Then buy them something generous from the wedding gift list which will be a fraction of what you would have spent on a single stag weekend.

Perhaps the husband can send a modified version of this message to his sister?

OhNameChangeyThingie · 12/09/2025 11:09

I am outraged on your behalf.

What I've learnt over the years is that you can't win with some in-laws. Your place in the family is "in the wrong". You are damned if you do, and damned if you don't. So, what you need to do is grieve for the relationship that you could have had, then move on.

So, it is your DH's brother and his future wife? Sounds like both your DH and his bro are weak, and BIL has found himself a very nasty partner and they enable each other.

How is your relationship with your DH? Is it very secure? If so, then you need to go NC with his brother and his fiancee and any other toxic people in his family.

You know, people do exist happily without their in-laws in the mix all the time. Having tricky in-laws myself I decided a while ago that I only have to get along and make an effort with my PIL and no one else. My DH can deal with his own family. He has zero interaction with my parent, or my siblings or thier spouses and we manage to stay married and be happy.

We were invited to an overseas wedding last year, and we very reluctantly went. It has all bells and whistles on it and demands. I however took back some control over the situation as spending £6K and a week off annual leave really pissed me off. I agreed to go, but I picked where I was staying and I just went to the night before and the wedding day and had a nice holiday with my family.

I don't know what the answer is sorry. I have tricky in-laws and my DH has never stood up for me. If he had, they wouldn't have said and done most of the things they have. I am older and wiser now and I can't rely on my DH to defend me and I am at the age where I no longer take any crap off anyone, especially them. My MIL tried to blame me for something the other week and I told her to her face "This has nothing to do with me, I'm not DH's gatekeeper. I have my own family to worry about". I rarely see them and I haven't seen or spoken to some of them for 2 years.

You need to take a step back, they live miles away thankfully so it should be easier. Let your DH deal with them and tell him you don't want to hear about his family politics.

Your DH should be saying to his brother "You are my brother, and I really care about you, but the stuff you are saying about my wife is not on. I'm telling you here and now that talking about my wife is now off limits and if you and your fiancé come at her again, then we are going to have a major falling out".

EmeraldShamrock000 · 12/09/2025 11:09

Don't go, expensive weddings abroad is a lot for most people.

The other family members will probably secretly be envious of you.

They'll still be rude, entitled inlaws once they marry. I wouldn't waste my time or money on their lavish wedding

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 12/09/2025 11:09

In general terms they sound awful.

Re this particular event, you were unreasonable to cancel I think. You’d accepted and then decided you wanted to book a holiday instead. You haven’t told anyone why, so they can’t take into account your struggles.

I think you should tell her - and should have done at the outset - that you can’t be a bridesmaid. The falling out will be much less than if you keep cancelling or declining bits and pieces along the way. Also if you’re not planning to go to the wedding I’d tell them now.

LadyGaGasPokerFace · 12/09/2025 11:10

They can’t be that rich if bridesmaids are paying for their own dresses. They sound crass and I wouldn’t be going to any of this charade.

IamSmarticus · 12/09/2025 11:10

What a load of uneccesary drama. I don't understand why on earth you invited SIL (who you don't even like) to be a bridemaid in the first place, just becasue they are family? Now SIL feels obligated to do the same with you.

I wouldn't be paying 2K each to go to a wedding of someone I don't like either, I would have just apologised and said no, sorry we won't be able to come.

I'm sure some peoples lives are a heck of a lot more stressful than they need to be, usually because one person can't stand up for themselves and say NO when needed!

Liondoesntsleepatnight · 12/09/2025 11:10

You have booked to go away when you were meant to be going on the bridesmaid dress reveal evening, it might not be important to you but it’s important to her.

InterestedDad37 · 12/09/2025 11:11

Content yourself with the probability that 5 years down the line, they'll be having a bitter and expensive divorce 🙂

prelovedusername · 12/09/2025 11:12

No matter whether you are in the wrong, the way they handled it was appalling. I wouldn’t have dealings with anyone who treated me like that. Just don’t go, they are never going to be nice to you. Save your money.

Shinysunday · 12/09/2025 11:19

Honestly OP this couple adds nothing to your lives and you probably don't add anything to theirs. Decline the wedding and wedding-related invitations on the grounds that it's all too expensive. Send them a lovely gift and a message wishing them happiness, but don't do anything else. Maybe they'll try to get the family to gang up against you, but if it doesn't happen this time, it will happen in the future with some other excuse. You can't win except by stepping back.

MorrisZapp · 12/09/2025 11:22

If this is true then you've stoked the drama at every turn. You asked a woman you despise to be your bridesmaid, then agreed to be hers? Thanks for the details about your humble wedding though, you're clearly the superior person here.

Chompingatthebeat · 12/09/2025 11:23

Coldnightsapproachingwhereismyduvet · 12/09/2025 09:58

Yabu to spend 2k each to go to anyone's wedding.. Never mind someone you don't even like!!

Except you can turn the trip into a nice holiday

amber763 · 12/09/2025 11:23

Honestly don't go and pull out of the whole thing. Fuck these people with their 9 bridesmaids and their calling people up screaming at them and expecting people to spend 1000s on their wedding. Let your husband sort out his own family and just forget about them.

amber763 · 12/09/2025 11:25

Liondoesntsleepatnight · 12/09/2025 11:10

You have booked to go away when you were meant to be going on the bridesmaid dress reveal evening, it might not be important to you but it’s important to her.

Lol bridesmaid reveal. Ridiculous

SuperTrooper1111 · 12/09/2025 11:28

I would message SIL saying you no longer want to be bridesmaid after BIL's abusive call then ignore the wider family's reaction. You know they are going to blow up, so let them. But do take your DH to task for enabling their poor treatment of you. He is letting them bully you and needs to stand up to them.

Sunnyscribe · 12/09/2025 11:29

Okay so I've read the whole thing and what I understand is that the main problem (although ngl I see many problems here) is that you don't want to go on this night out where you'll all be trying on dresses?

They do sound very demanding but you're also not in a position to give them an honest answer about not being able to attend (which is fair enough, as you don't want to open up about fertility struggles). If I'm being honest, I think it was unwise to state the holiday as the reason you couldn't go because it sends the wrong message. It does say "i'd rather go on holiday than support you" which obviously won't go down well.

I think it's possible to convey the importance of you not going without opening up. I would say something like "I'm very sorry, the holiday isn't the real reason I cannot attend the night out, it's actually because of some personal circumstances but will look forward to seeing you at the hen do."

I think you're both being too false in your relationships with each other. It sounds like neither of you like each other and I'm confused why she was your bridesmaid and why you are hers. There is nothing wrong with a distance and civil relationship where you see eachother a few times a year and leave it there and I think this is what you sort of need to establish with each other. Hopefully you can just go back to your own lives after this wedding stuff is finished with.

Also if the wedding is unaffordable for you to attend you can also not go. This is what people have to expect when they get married abroad. Not everyone can afford it.