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Grandson living with me and I'm struggling

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AngelicAbout · 15/08/2025 18:43

Posting here for traffic

My son briefly dated a woman for a few months and ended up having grandson (16, 17 at the end of the month). His mum was his resident parent until he was about 11, there's a long backstory but she chose a man over him/her other children (son isn't the father of his siblings). He also came out around this time and his mum tried to guilt trip him. My son had full custody of him from then. He hasn't seen his mum in year's but she does send the occasional message although I don't think he replies to her most the time.

2 years ago my son moved grandson up here with him, son is autistic and has mental health issues himself and was quite lonely down in their previous area and was struggling with grandson and his school refusal at his old school anyway.

They moved here summer 2023, they were living with myself and my husband and grandson started Y10 at his new school that September. From the off we had issues with him refusing to go, he hated it, had no friends etc and was angry at my son for moving him away from his friends. Son promised he could move back down south for him to start college in their old area (I'm not sure why he said this as I don't think this was the plan!

After a few months we had the education welfare team out many times, he was very behind at school and they weren't sure he’d catch up. They figured out he was working at a year 8 level, no sen although I do think he is autistic like my son but he gets defensive and says he isn't. We got him a tutor over zoom and he was still on the school roll. It was 2 hours a day and the plan was to continue with the tutor but slowly work up to him being in full time school. This never happened, he went in for a few hours but he started refusing again and also refused to engage with the tutor. He would lie and say it had been cancelled etc.
This year he was due to sit his GCSEs but that didn't happen, he's agreed to go to college and sit them but that doesn't look likely. He's fixated on what my son said 2 years ago about moving back down south (we’re in Manchester) for college. Anyway that's the education aspect. My son ended up moving out and grandson stayed living here.

Grandsons behaviour is awful, he barely leaves his room, his sleep schedule is all over the place, he sleeps all day and is awake all night playing games and on discord calls to people in America etc. He self harms and has threatened suicide but I don't know if he's serious or trying to be manipulative, drinks/smokes weed. He likes cooking but doesn't tidy up after himself. He shouts at me for simple things such as putting a t-shirt of his in the dryer, putting his clothes away in his drawer to try and be helpful. Calls me an old bitch and other things. He doesn't eat during the day he cooks at night. Manipulated my son into giving him money for a new PC as he broke his previous one by spilling juice on it. He then got a virus on the new PC within a few days. Last Christmas he lied to my son about me taking his Christmas money
My son might be evicted so will more than likely move back in and he's not happy at all, that's when he threatened suicide (again), told me I shouldn't give him money when he asks (it's not up to grandson though!), said his dad ignores him and only messages when he wants something which isn't true he tries to make an effort but grandson ignores his messages. He does message grandson if I haven't replied to ask if I'm awake/ask him to get me to call him etc but he does message other times too.

Sorry this post is so long. I've tried getting Camhs involved but the wait list is long and probably will turn 18 before we get an appointment and I doubt he'd engage anyway. School tried to get him to talk to the school counsellor but wouldn't

If anyone has questions I'll answer and there's things I've not included as I don't want to make it too long

OP posts:
Neurodiversitydoctor · 17/08/2025 10:37

AngelicAbout · 16/08/2025 19:54

I don't think he'd be taken into care at his age would he?

I work with children in care,I am not sure how this would benefit him, at his age in our area anyway it would be supprted living so a room in a shared house with support available in office hours. I can't see how that would be better tbh. 16/17 is a tricky age.

Noelshighflyingturds · 17/08/2025 10:38

Needlenardlenoo · 17/08/2025 10:36

@Inshockandsome where is your love and compassion for the OP?

The OP is in fact a grown person it would appear who has their accommodation secured

Whinge · 17/08/2025 10:44

Noelshighflyingturds · 17/08/2025 10:38

The OP is in fact a grown person it would appear who has their accommodation secured

The OP is a scared woman who is walking on eggshells in her own house. She can't solve all of her grandson's problems, and perhaps she needs to hear that it's ok to put herself first.

Needlenardlenoo · 17/08/2025 10:45

Noelshighflyingturds · 17/08/2025 10:38

The OP is in fact a grown person it would appear who has their accommodation secured

She's also not the child's parent.

Her living situation could also unravel quite quickly if a) the young man ends up in trouble; b) the son loses his job or housing; c) the long term work away partner loses his patience with the set up; d) she loses her job (she says she works from home). You don't know if the house is mortgaged, in the work away partner's name, rented or what.

Lots of risks.

AngelicAbout · 17/08/2025 10:51

I don't think he's drug dealing, he isn't out of the house long enough or often enough to be doing that. He doesn't seem to have loads of money I'm unsure where PP got that from, the money he gets is what my son gives him/Christmas money and he'll get money for his birthday in 2 weeks more than likely as he's not asked for anything, when we've asked he says he doesn't know. I've tried to tell my son to tell him the money for the PC was his birthday present so he's already had it but my son has said it's unfair that he gets nothing but I don't think him getting money for something expensive in the middle of the year for no reason other than threatening suicide would be good for him? A PC is an expensive present for a birthday but at least its not a present for a non occasion.

He stopped going to school where they used to live so I don't think he’d listen to a teacher from that school, I'm unsure if he started refusing because he just could or if he was struggling with the work as when he was in Y10 we found out he was working at a Y8 level but he never mentioned any thing to his dad or me or school about struggling and school didn't mention anything to my son either about any concerns, it was like he just decided not to go one day. We don't know any of the friends parents, he's only close to 2 of them from down where they used to live . One of them friends used he and she pronouns which me and my son didn't really understand, my son called the friend the wrong one (not to the friend themselves) and my grandson snapped at him and refuses to talk about any of his friends now. He also blamed this friend for the drugs we found in his room which we don't believe. The rest of the friends are on discord living in different countries (and some here in the Uk but different areas) but he's constantly on calls to them playing games, it's all his wants to do and his go to answer is always “well I don't have any friends here what do you expect me to do?”

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MightyDandelionEsq · 17/08/2025 10:59

I don’t agree with arm chair diagnosis so I’d stop pushing autism on him OP. I know you’re trying to be helpful but it should be up to a licensed professional.

As a starter, he needs therapy for the fact his parents have abandoned him in a new area where he knows no one. Is there an alternative education route for him as it sounds like he has academic difficulties?

He sounds extremely troubled and 2bh, you’re cutting your son too much slack who is neglecting his parental responsibilities. HE should be looking into the solutions.

Needlenardlenoo · 17/08/2025 11:26

Have you tried sitting down with your son (maybe in the car outside the house to avoid grandson listening in) and brainstorming the various problems and possible solutions?

A lot of then seem to stem from the fact that your son has very little relationship with your grandson. What does he propose to do about that?

Does your son actually have a second bedroom or does he live in a house share? If the latter, what does he propose to do to get suitable housing?

Has he contacted social services, applied for PIP, looked into colleges, researched supported or social housing?

It may help to set a deadline. No-one's going to help you while the young man's safely housed. What's your husband's view? This has been going on for two years now right? Would he be willing to be the "bad guy" who says "until Christmas, then go"?

Your son is an adult and has agency here. He can't stick his head in the sand forever without affecting your relationship and retirement severely and you have done lots already.

Needlenardlenoo · 17/08/2025 11:28

AngelicAbout · 17/08/2025 10:51

I don't think he's drug dealing, he isn't out of the house long enough or often enough to be doing that. He doesn't seem to have loads of money I'm unsure where PP got that from, the money he gets is what my son gives him/Christmas money and he'll get money for his birthday in 2 weeks more than likely as he's not asked for anything, when we've asked he says he doesn't know. I've tried to tell my son to tell him the money for the PC was his birthday present so he's already had it but my son has said it's unfair that he gets nothing but I don't think him getting money for something expensive in the middle of the year for no reason other than threatening suicide would be good for him? A PC is an expensive present for a birthday but at least its not a present for a non occasion.

He stopped going to school where they used to live so I don't think he’d listen to a teacher from that school, I'm unsure if he started refusing because he just could or if he was struggling with the work as when he was in Y10 we found out he was working at a Y8 level but he never mentioned any thing to his dad or me or school about struggling and school didn't mention anything to my son either about any concerns, it was like he just decided not to go one day. We don't know any of the friends parents, he's only close to 2 of them from down where they used to live . One of them friends used he and she pronouns which me and my son didn't really understand, my son called the friend the wrong one (not to the friend themselves) and my grandson snapped at him and refuses to talk about any of his friends now. He also blamed this friend for the drugs we found in his room which we don't believe. The rest of the friends are on discord living in different countries (and some here in the Uk but different areas) but he's constantly on calls to them playing games, it's all his wants to do and his go to answer is always “well I don't have any friends here what do you expect me to do?”

OK, that's positive (although if I had a tenner for every parent who doesn't think their child would ever...) He does seem to have quite a comfy life though, and your son ought to be giving you money for housing him - is he?

Noelshighflyingturds · 17/08/2025 12:34

Whinge · 17/08/2025 10:44

The OP is a scared woman who is walking on eggshells in her own house. She can't solve all of her grandson's problems, and perhaps she needs to hear that it's ok to put herself first.

But it’s not okay is it? It’s never okay to put your own needs before a 16 year-old child.
No matter who they belong to
If they are family, they are family

Needlenardlenoo · 17/08/2025 12:44

Of course it's OK to put your own needs first at times. This whole sorry scenario currently depends on the OP being able to work and pay the bills.

The two actual parents are certainly putting their own wants and needs first!

Noelshighflyingturds · 17/08/2025 12:52

Needlenardlenoo · 17/08/2025 12:44

Of course it's OK to put your own needs first at times. This whole sorry scenario currently depends on the OP being able to work and pay the bills.

The two actual parents are certainly putting their own wants and needs first!

Edited

Well it doesn’t make you much of a grandmother or mother if you do

Whinge · 17/08/2025 13:01

Noelshighflyingturds · 17/08/2025 12:52

Well it doesn’t make you much of a grandmother or mother if you do

The OP has done far more than either of the child's parents.

Do you have anything to say about the child's father who has abdicated all responsibility? Hmm Or is it just mothers and grandmothers who should put their needs last?

AngelicAbout · 17/08/2025 13:06

I'm not arm chair diagnosing, he's very similar to my son and has his own traits but he won't listen so I obviously can't force him to get assessed.

I didn't mind them moving in here, my son couldn't realistically work when he was refusing to go to school and he was lonely down south so the plan was to move in til he found his own place and got a new job here. Social housing wasn't an option as a poster said as the wait lists are very long, he found a place privately rented and he's living there now but the landlord wants to sell so he will be evicted. I will be happy for him to move in because I don't want him to be homeless, he has his own MH struggles and if he's homeless and has no job then that will make things worse for him. He's currently on his final warning at work so I do worry the eviction in turn will make him lose his job by not attending. I'm not currently retired, I WFH. Mine and husbands relationship isn't great but the house is in my name so realistically he can't say he wants grandson out

OP posts:
Noelshighflyingturds · 17/08/2025 13:38

Whinge · 17/08/2025 13:01

The OP has done far more than either of the child's parents.

Do you have anything to say about the child's father who has abdicated all responsibility? Hmm Or is it just mothers and grandmothers who should put their needs last?

Who’s done wise absolutely irrelevant
Whilst there’s no medals handed out for amazing parenting, there’s no retribution for shit parenting
All there is is damaged kids in the middle
Whoever needs to pick the pieces up
Needs to pick the pieces up
That’s the end of the matter

Needlenardlenoo · 17/08/2025 13:58

Noelshighflyingturds · 17/08/2025 12:52

Well it doesn’t make you much of a grandmother or mother if you do

I totally disagree. This is patriarchy speaking. It's the dad who's really let the child down here.

I've been bringing up a SEN child for over a decade and sometimes you have to put your own oxygen mask on first.

Needlenardlenoo · 17/08/2025 14:06

OP, has your son actually looked for a new house? And has either of you checked the landlord has done all the paperwork correctly? If it was as simple as you tell the tenant you're selling and they go, well frankly, more people would be landlords!

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AngelicAbout · 17/08/2025 15:12

My son did apply for PIP but it was refused. He has looked for a new house but he needs to find somewhere close due to work and wanting to be close to grandson, he can't afford most of what he's found atm. He does give me a small amount for grandson. I haven't seen any paperwork.

My son has tried asking grandson if he wants to do something to try and rebuild their relationship but he says no, grandson ignores his messages either by leaving him on read or not opening them at all. He just doesn't want to do anything that isn't talking to random people or gaming. He's not close to any other family members either, he did come with me to my younger grandsons show at school and younger grandson was happy to see him but he hates grandson and granddaughter being over

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AngelicAbout · 17/08/2025 16:48

Enrollment for 16-18 is this week on the 21st and 22nd, then the rest of the dates are for everyone. Which date would be best to (try) take him? I'm unsure whether they'll have space on the course I posted about yesterday but it's worth a try, otherwise we’d have to see what was left

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Inshockandsome · 17/08/2025 17:06

Take him on the first date possible and encourage him to give it a try.

CarefullyCuratedFurniture · 17/08/2025 17:15

Take him to whatever he'll go to! Bribe him with McDonald's afterwards if it will help. If he kicks off, go back home, and try taking him another day.

InASimilarBoatAndSinking · 17/08/2025 17:18

Take him on the 21st. Use whatever bribery is necessary to get him there.
That gives you the 22nd as back up for if 21st goes awry. Wishing you the best of luck and hope it works out for you all x Shamrock

AngelicAbout · 17/08/2025 17:41

Thank you, I was just wondering what day would be less busier etc but I'm sure they'll all be the same. My son doesn't have work on Thursday so he has said he'll be able to come if he'll actually go, I'm not sure if that'll make him more reluctant to go though. It's just so hard

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ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 17/08/2025 17:44

I know this sounds pathetic. I have a ND child. It’s been a struggle with education at time.

Cash incentives work very well. Better than anything else < bitter experience>

AngelicAbout · 17/08/2025 20:26

Thank you, that could work but it's his birthday just over a week later so he knows he'll be getting money then so it may not!

I planned to have a proper talk with him this evening but he's not long woken up and he's already in a mood, he totally kicked off re the razors that I took the other day, he accused me of stealing his stuff, called me a fucking bitch and said he expects them back. It's just so tiring that the only time he talks to me is to kick off

OP posts:
ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 17/08/2025 20:33

AngelicAbout · 17/08/2025 20:26

Thank you, that could work but it's his birthday just over a week later so he knows he'll be getting money then so it may not!

I planned to have a proper talk with him this evening but he's not long woken up and he's already in a mood, he totally kicked off re the razors that I took the other day, he accused me of stealing his stuff, called me a fucking bitch and said he expects them back. It's just so tiring that the only time he talks to me is to kick off

I’m sorry 😔

Have you tried ‘low demand approach?’

Offer options
Praise and reward
Reduce demand as much as possible.

He sounds very troubled but also ND

Is he ever pleasant?

School refusal often co incides with the start of burnout. This sounds very much like what may have happened. To move him to a new place in the middle of burnout may have made it worse.

What’s his hygiene like? He also sounds potential PDA

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