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For stopping a man taking his daughter in swimming pool changing room?

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Anotsolittlemermaid · 06/02/2025 23:58

I am a regular user but changed name for this as I’ve spoken to a few people about it so it could be outing. I apologise it’s quite a long post but couldn’t cut it much shorter as context is needed.

I have a monthly subscription to a gym with a swimming pool that’s part of a hotel, on a Wednesday there is women’s aqua aerobics from 7-8 then adult only time from 8pm till 10pm.

Yesterday evening I got to the pool at about 8.15 after aqua aerobics and there was a man who was just arriving at the pool with his young daughter who was about 4/5.

He was being quite annoying letting her disrupt people by jumping in where people were swimming, getting in the path of other swimmers, throwing floats used for aqua across the pool and he was picking her up and throwing her.
The little girl was shrieking and screaming and a few people gave annoyed looks over at him but he carried on getting in everyone’s way.

In the end after about 20 minutes a member of staff came over and asked the man to leave the pool as children’s hours had finished, he argued a bit saying he was trying to tire his daughter out so she would sleep but the staff member was firm and said there had been two sessions of children’s hours for 2 hours at a time earlier in the day that he had been welcome to use but people who wanted to swim properly deliberately avoided them and came later.

The women’s changing room was still busy after aqua and it was mostly women swimming in the pool who had stayed after aqua to continue swimming. The changing rooms are right next to the pool so you can hear when people are in them. The men’s seemed empty but the man and his daughter were also hotel guests so he could have wrapped a towel around her and gone back to the room. He had towels and a hotel robe for himself with him.

When he got out of the pool he put the robe on but took his daughter by the hand and walked towards the women’s changing room obviously intending to go in.

The changing room is open plan with only one cubicle, it had 8 showers, 4 are in cubicles but the other 4 are open, when I had undressed before swimming the changing room had been busy with lots of women using the showers and changing after aqua, there were obviously a few women still in there as I could hear chatting and the hairdryer going.

I had been swimming lengths at the edge of the pool opposite the changing room entrance so when I saw him heading to the women’s I called out to him “sorry but that’s the ladies and it’s busy, you can take your daughter to the men’s I’m sure it’s empty or can you not just put your towel around her and go to your room?”

The man glared at me and said he wasn’t taking his daughter into a room where men might be undressing and he had taken her into changing rooms before where no one had ever had a problem.

I said it was more likely they did have a problem but didn’t feel comfortable saying so, I was getting angry at this point so I said I’d go and get the member of staff to see what he said.

The man obviously knew the staff member wasn’t going to approve this and started ranting about how awful it was that first his daughter had been asked to leave the pool and now he couldn’t even get her dry and dressed again because of busy bodies sticking their oar in. Another women who was swimming and had overheard backed me up that it was completely inappropriate and no one over 8 is allowed in the opposite sex changing room. The man wasn’t happy but wrapped his daughter in the towel and took her his hotel room as I’d suggested. As he was wearing the robe I have no idea if he had planned to use the women’s changing room to shower and get changed himself or not.

I hate confrontation but the other women thanked me for saying something, I spoke to the staff member when I’d finished my swim and he agreed that the man should have used the men’s changing room where there was a free cubicle. He said he’d been cheeky enough bringing his daughter during adult hours when he’d been told earlier he wouldn’t be allowed when he’d asked about it.

I assumed most people would agree with me but my friend said I was completely out of order, she said the little girl was the one who was important and it was much safer and more appropriate for her to get changed in the ladies, she said most mums would be understanding about a father bringing his daughter in and could have got changed under a towel, when I mentioned he had also been in the pool and was possibly planning on getting undressed himself she said “well no one has to look if they don’t want to”
I didn’t want to keep discussing it with her as we had argued before years ago about her bringing her 11 year old son and nephews into ladies changing rooms and I realised she was the wrong person to mention it to.

I also mentioned it to DP and he said that I was right to stop the man going in the ladies but he equally feels uncomfortable when men bring their daughters in, he also swims and said the previous week a little girl had been running naked round the changing room whilst her dad was looking at his phone and he would never allow his daughter to do that as you just don’t know what other men are thinking.

There are no family changing rooms as it’s not really a kids pool with it being attached to a gym and it’s mainly set up for members comfort. The majority of people who bring kids are hotel guests who have rooms.

I don’t feel IABU really but after hearing my friend and DP’s opinion I just wondered what others thought about it. Was I wrong to suggest the man takes his daughter into the men’s changing room? On this occasion a cubicle was free but if it hadn’t been then do some people really think that women should be expected to get showered and undressed in front of a man when he could take her into the mens changing room?
I’m just interested in others thoughts.

There is also a disabled changing room but only one and in my opinion it’s wrong to take that over if you don’t have a disability.

OP posts:
Cappuccinowithonesugarplease · 08/02/2025 09:07

DeanElderberry · 08/02/2025 08:13

How do you know that? Are you he? He had two choices for sorting his daughter out - the men's changing room, or their hotel room. He did not need a third one containing women.

But the reality is they were probably out of there in under 10 mins. I don't think it's right for a little girl to be in a changing room full of blokes either.

Orangesinthebag · 08/02/2025 09:11

Cappuccinowithonesugarplease · 08/02/2025 09:07

But the reality is they were probably out of there in under 10 mins. I don't think it's right for a little girl to be in a changing room full of blokes either.

Edited

But they'll be "out of there in under 10 mins" so what's the problem??

KrankyKumquat · 08/02/2025 09:15

@Finella12
The whole story is very dubious in my view. Reads like a short story, so much detail and, yes, the 'friend' is a give-away along with the disappearance of the poster. Couple of hours entertainment and ego-stroking for them I suppose.

Needspaceforlego · 08/02/2025 09:25

Cappuccinowithonesugarplease · 08/02/2025 09:07

But the reality is they were probably out of there in under 10 mins. I don't think it's right for a little girl to be in a changing room full of blokes either.

Edited

But your fine with an adult man getting changed infront of older women (the demographic who do aqua) ?
Wheres there dignity and privacy?

Well at that point why bother with male / female changing rooms?

If it's fine for a man to be in the ladies because he has a female kid. Why bother. Let's all have one great big open plan changing room. Let the boob's and willies all just hang out together.

Orangesinthebag · 08/02/2025 09:29

KrankyKumquat · 08/02/2025 09:15

@Finella12
The whole story is very dubious in my view. Reads like a short story, so much detail and, yes, the 'friend' is a give-away along with the disappearance of the poster. Couple of hours entertainment and ego-stroking for them I suppose.

Odd story to just make up though?

And the OP has replied several times throughout the thread, she didn't just post once and disappear.

Cappuccinowithonesugarplease · 08/02/2025 09:30

Needspaceforlego · 08/02/2025 09:25

But your fine with an adult man getting changed infront of older women (the demographic who do aqua) ?
Wheres there dignity and privacy?

Well at that point why bother with male / female changing rooms?

If it's fine for a man to be in the ladies because he has a female kid. Why bother. Let's all have one great big open plan changing room. Let the boob's and willies all just hang out together.

No in other circumstances of course it isn't okay for s man to be in a female changing space, but sorry the child comes first, the most vulnerable person there.
But no, let a load of strange men flop their dicks around a little girl.

Coloursofthewind2 · 08/02/2025 09:37

Not the point of the thread I know, but my son is 8 and I wouldn't feel comfortable sending him into a changing room by himself, even though 8 seems to be the age people think you have to. My dh takes him to swimming lessons every week though partly for that reason, so they can both go in the mens. I'd feel safer if I had an 8 year old daughter sending her into female changing rooms by herself. Sad but true.

TickingAlongNicely · 08/02/2025 09:37

Cappuccinowithonesugarplease · 08/02/2025 09:30

No in other circumstances of course it isn't okay for s man to be in a female changing space, but sorry the child comes first, the most vulnerable person there.
But no, let a load of strange men flop their dicks around a little girl.

Edited

But to every other woman he is the strange man. He is basically saying that his own DD is not entitled to a women's changing room in the future.

DeanElderberry · 08/02/2025 09:39

Which is why he should have taken her swimming at the correct time, as he was told by hotel staff. Or he could have booked a hotel with a family changing room. Or he could have taken her to change in her room.

But he didn't choose to do any of those things because although they would have worked for the child and the women and hotel, they didn't suit him.

Orangesinthebag · 08/02/2025 09:44

Cappuccinowithonesugarplease · 08/02/2025 09:30

No in other circumstances of course it isn't okay for s man to be in a female changing space, but sorry the child comes first, the most vulnerable person there.
But no, let a load of strange men flop their dicks around a little girl.

Edited

Oh for Pete's sake, what a ridiculous comment!
A sensible father can safeguard one small child in a male changing room.

And are you assuming that all the other men in there, many of whom are probably also fathers, couldn't behave appropriately when they see that a small child is being changed in the same space? They would all just be "flopping their dicks around" would they?
🙄

Cappuccinowithonesugarplease · 08/02/2025 09:51

Orangesinthebag · 08/02/2025 09:44

Oh for Pete's sake, what a ridiculous comment!
A sensible father can safeguard one small child in a male changing room.

And are you assuming that all the other men in there, many of whom are probably also fathers, couldn't behave appropriately when they see that a small child is being changed in the same space? They would all just be "flopping their dicks around" would they?
🙄

I'm not saying that women shouldn't have private changing spaces for one minute so calm down with the outrage, heres a question, if it's such a problem then why is it on the beach nobody bats an eyelid?

KrankyKumquat · 08/02/2025 09:53

@Orangesinthebag Yes, well, she posted from midnight to 4am, then disappeared. May be truth in the basic kernel of the story but rest is very suss. We'll never know. But I'm sure she's enjoyed the experience and validation.

Barbie222 · 08/02/2025 09:58

I think he should have taken her to the men's and safeguarded her there. If the other people in there made him feel uncomfortable, then he should have dealt with it by either taking her into a cubicle or by challenging the behaviour of the other men in there depending on what the issue was. As he is the adult male he should not have gone into the woman's changing room. You take a child under 8 to the changing room for the sex of the adult, not the sex of the child, surely.

Doingthework · 08/02/2025 09:58

Coloursofthewind2 · 08/02/2025 09:37

Not the point of the thread I know, but my son is 8 and I wouldn't feel comfortable sending him into a changing room by himself, even though 8 seems to be the age people think you have to. My dh takes him to swimming lessons every week though partly for that reason, so they can both go in the mens. I'd feel safer if I had an 8 year old daughter sending her into female changing rooms by herself. Sad but true.

I sadly agree pp

What’s also sad is that if you did send your little lad in the men’s changing there are dads like me in there who is he was struggling or needed help would first have to assess the risk to himself (especially if I didn’t have my own boys with me ) as to genuinely help your boy because of all the horrible people (mainly men) that have ruined the world for everyone.

Also we’re the same dads that some posters think we’d actually be looking at little girls and two would not be doing everything possible to help a dad out with his daughter by being discreet.

There loads of nice blokes out there but I have come to terms that the bad and good look the same but it will never stop me feeling sad about it x

Orangesinthebag · 08/02/2025 10:08

Cappuccinowithonesugarplease · 08/02/2025 09:51

I'm not saying that women shouldn't have private changing spaces for one minute so calm down with the outrage, heres a question, if it's such a problem then why is it on the beach nobody bats an eyelid?

The beach is not the same situation at all.

Needspaceforlego · 08/02/2025 10:25

Cappuccinowithonesugarplease · 08/02/2025 09:30

No in other circumstances of course it isn't okay for s man to be in a female changing space, but sorry the child comes first, the most vulnerable person there.
But no, let a load of strange men flop their dicks around a little girl.

Edited

But your fine with him flopping his dick around women ?

What makes you think he wasn't getting a kick out of intimidating them?

rainingsnoring · 08/02/2025 10:32

Cappuccinowithonesugarplease · 08/02/2025 08:08

YANBU about them being in the pool outside of children's times, but seriously he was trying to sort out his daughter not look at other women getting changed.

He can seriously get her changed in the male changing room, being a male himself, or in their own private room. It only takes 10 mins, apparently.

DeanElderberry · 08/02/2025 10:38

So the Big Rules are

no woman should ever say 'no' to a man

criticism of one man is criticism of all men

all MN posters should be in the same time zone, have the operating hours, and post between 6:00 and 23:00 gmt

what else?

Nanny0gg · 08/02/2025 10:48

NovemberMorn · 07/02/2025 17:33

That's one answer.

Maybe he should have thought more about the care of her afterwards, before he actually took her.

Quite. As he took her swimming to tire her out

ThatsNotMyTeen · 08/02/2025 10:57

Cappuccinowithonesugarplease · 08/02/2025 09:30

No in other circumstances of course it isn't okay for s man to be in a female changing space, but sorry the child comes first, the most vulnerable person there.
But no, let a load of strange men flop their dicks around a little girl.

Edited

So women now have to be uncomfortable with random men in the changing room, because THEY should be prioritising HIS child over their own comfort and privacy?

How do you know there weren’t other people equally as or more vulnerable than the child in the women’s changing room?

MyPearlCrow · 08/02/2025 10:59

DeanElderberry · 08/02/2025 07:57

Not every man. This man, who avoided taking his child swimming at children's swimming time and avoided using the changing room for dads and children.

This man, with a very obvious agenda, is not every man.

Most men have some cop on and comply with rules and protocols. Most men respect women's spaces. If one doesn't, it is reasonable to ask why not. And if his rule-breaking gets him into women's spaces that he is not meant to be in, calling out his bad actions is not a comment on 'all men'.

If this is really what you think then I worry for your mh. His ‘agenda’ was tiring his daughter out, thoughtlessly and stupidly.

This level of paranoia is probably worthy of a diagnosis of some sort. It’s really unhealthy.

Needspaceforlego · 08/02/2025 11:07

MyPearlCrow · 08/02/2025 10:59

If this is really what you think then I worry for your mh. His ‘agenda’ was tiring his daughter out, thoughtlessly and stupidly.

This level of paranoia is probably worthy of a diagnosis of some sort. It’s really unhealthy.

How do you know that was the real agenda?

He can't exactly come out with "my agenda is to get a kick out of intimidating women"
Not to mention anyone with any sense tries to avoid leaving the pool at the same time as the aqua group.

His behaviour is not a mile away from the TWAW shite that enabled double rapist Isla Bryson to get onto a Beauty Course and left teenage girls feeling very intimated.

MyPearlCrow · 08/02/2025 11:15

Needspaceforlego · 08/02/2025 11:07

How do you know that was the real agenda?

He can't exactly come out with "my agenda is to get a kick out of intimidating women"
Not to mention anyone with any sense tries to avoid leaving the pool at the same time as the aqua group.

His behaviour is not a mile away from the TWAW shite that enabled double rapist Isla Bryson to get onto a Beauty Course and left teenage girls feeling very intimated.

Paranoia talking. Genuinely, take a step back. Condemn the action, for sure, but reading into it to that degree is akin to conspiracy theories about bill gates using vaccines to microchip all humans. It’s that bonkers.

MyPearlCrow · 08/02/2025 11:20

Cappuccinowithonesugarplease · 08/02/2025 09:30

No in other circumstances of course it isn't okay for s man to be in a female changing space, but sorry the child comes first, the most vulnerable person there.
But no, let a load of strange men flop their dicks around a little girl.

Edited

This is the other bonkers side of the coin. He’s either a sex pest or it’s child abuse to let a man take his daughter into the gents.

this is the world todat sadly. It’s either Donald trump or Jeremy corbyn, polarised views becoming increasingly unpalatable because they go unchecked by the calm, logical, common sensical middle ground.

poor kids, growing up to think this kind of polarised view is normal or ok. It’s not. If you communicate these kind of conspiracy theory-esque nonsense to your kids, it’s actually a bigger risk than the minuscule risk of coming into contact with a genuine sexual deviant in a swimming pool.

DeanElderberry · 08/02/2025 11:23

I am not paranoid. That doesn't mean they aren't out to get me.

Decades of experience of predatory male behavior has left me with the ability to sense dangerous situations. If you haven't leaned that yet, I suggest you start to, for the sake of your mental health.