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Mortified over 40th wwyd?

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dappledeverglade · 18/01/2025 15:40

NC for this.

I have a friendship group (8 of us originally) dropped to 6 lately with a few others moving away. We have been good friends for 10 yrs plus, kids were all in primary school together. The dc have gone their separate ways at secondary level, but the friendship has remained as strong as ever. We see each other regularly, and I considered them good friends.

My dhs business isn’t doing very well, and my hours have been reduced, and as a result we’ve had to really rein in our expenses.

My friends have done some great things for their 40ths and I’m the last. I booked a a morning craft class and we will make and take away the finished product, followed by a lunch in a restaurant that is one of the nicest in the area. I had planned to decorate it really nicely. Dh will cover the cost as part of my present. We will also go on holiday with dc in the summer, to a place that has historical significance and is part of my ancestry.

I sent a message to the group with the details last week, and friend A lets call her Joan said sounds great but this is your 40th let’s organise something better, and suggested a girls weekend away. Friend B agreed. Friend C chips in it is a 40th after alll. And so on. They have all now organised the place, the dates and are now looking at flight times.

I don’t want to go. I really can’t afford to go. The wknd isn’t even something I would like to do. It’s really mortifying that they think my idea is so bad it needs to be replaced by a new plan.

I don’t even know what to say and wish I could just cancel now. I am crying now, aware I haven’t replied for ages. I want to call it off. My dh feels awful and embarrassed. Wwyd?

OP posts:
CryJustALittleBit · 19/01/2025 12:22

dappledeverglade · 19/01/2025 12:19

Not a dicky bird. Nothing at all.

I’m not surprised/ the Joans of this world get their gang to do their dirty work for them

TerrysCIockworkOrange · 19/01/2025 12:22

Kudos to Friend E, actually being a friend!
I would be curious to know @dappledeverglade , you mentioned in your OP that you’ve lost a couple from the group over time due to them moving etc, what their takes on Joan are now they’ve left the group…

Mirabai · 19/01/2025 12:24

I had a message this morning, sent late last night from friend B to say the group had tried to arrange something nice for me, and Joan especially had worked hard to make it special, and they were all ‘disappointed’ that I didn’t seem to like the idea. Subtlety suggesting I should be more receptive, and open to the weekend away. Just as some pp had said.

While it’s true that they may be using the excuse of your birthday for a knees up abroad, I think you need to to acknowledge that they were genuinely trying to do something they thought you’d enjoy and were not aware that you couldn’t afford it or that you wouldn’t like it.

I can see it’s disappointing for them that something that they had been planning to please you however misguided, has been rejected wholesale.

They sound like their hearts are in the right place and care about you.

thescandalwascontained · 19/01/2025 12:25

deademptyduck · 19/01/2025 11:16

I get that you can't afford a trip away but the craft class sounds a pretty dire choice for young women in their 40's!! More like something you'd do for a 70th? Maybe a cocktail making class would be more fun?!

I know loads of women who would love a craft class: stained glass making; wreath making; painting events at local venues. They're sociable.

Girasole02 · 19/01/2025 12:25

Your original plans sounded lovely, your new plans sound fab too. Please do not arrange to go for drinks, coffee etc. Real friends don't behave like they have or make you feel rubbish. Give yourself the best present by phasing them out and finding your tribe.

dappledeverglade · 19/01/2025 12:27

TerrysCIockworkOrange · 19/01/2025 12:22

Kudos to Friend E, actually being a friend!
I would be curious to know @dappledeverglade , you mentioned in your OP that you’ve lost a couple from the group over time due to them moving etc, what their takes on Joan are now they’ve left the group…

I have looked more closely at the other two pulling away, once this happened. I thought about it last night and wondered if something had happened. One moved, but not so far she couldn’t meet up, and the other became busy with other stuff. Both have complained quietly over the years that they find Joan overbearing. Looking back maybe they did simply choose to fade out. I sometimes see them, and they seem fine, but it makes me wonder.

OP posts:
Aworldofmyown · 19/01/2025 12:27

dappledeverglade · 19/01/2025 12:19

Not a dicky bird. Nothing at all.

Joan will be indignant at how ungrateful you are when she spent time organising it entirely for your benefit and not hers at all!!!

MinnieGirl · 19/01/2025 12:29

dappledeverglade · 19/01/2025 11:45

Well friend E just txted (not on gc) to say she thought my birthday idea was lovely and she would have enjoyed it, would I mind if she took me out for dinner instead if it’s not happening? So that’s really made my day! Maybe not all is lost with all of them.

How lovely.
I suspect there has been some reflection now and some of them will start to realise what they have done...
A lovely dinner with your friend sounds wonderful

DollieBantrysPantry · 19/01/2025 12:32

dappledeverglade · 19/01/2025 11:45

Well friend E just txted (not on gc) to say she thought my birthday idea was lovely and she would have enjoyed it, would I mind if she took me out for dinner instead if it’s not happening? So that’s really made my day! Maybe not all is lost with all of them.

Really pleased friend E came through for you, was seething on your behalf. I wonder if some of the others, not Joan (!) will message something similar? You may end up with lots of dinner dates! Hope you have a wonderful time in Scotland too.

godmum56 · 19/01/2025 12:34

Lavenderfarmcottage · 19/01/2025 10:35

I don’t agree with pointing out what they’ve done wrong.

I don’t think women like this are going to stand back, reflect and apologise.

They will take the position of the strongest woman in the group, put their spin on it, build a narrative that you’re ungrateful when they offered to pay, that it wasn’t going to be just clubbing, or that you’re no fun.

You’ll then be painted as an ungrateful trouble maker and burn friendships. Maybe these people wouldn’t be around if you had cancer, like you say but few friends are. They’re fluffy fun friends and they have their role and purpose.

The group is guilty of not knowing your audience.

I don’t think they wanted to do a craft day and
I think they consider a 40th to be memorable and celebratory. Toasting each other by sunset = memorable. Making a glazed bowl together is enjoyable but maybe not fun and momentous as what they feel.

I think these women sound a bit free, fun loving, on the go, outgoing & thoughtless and a different breed to the typical Mumsnetter.

I don’t doubt Joan is an Amanda. The way they ignored your post is typical of these groups of women. It’s a cliquey vibe and showing up for each other is how these women operate - travelling in packs & agreeing to get up & go to stuff. Hence why you’re in that group - you show up & now they want to show up for you. No offence intended but it’s like a pack of puppies that are confused that one of them is abandoning the rules and pack.

Every group has a culture and a way and you’re going against theirs.

I am not for a second saying they’re right or faultless but I think throwing them in the bad friend pile is a step too far.

I think politely sit it out and wiggle out but don’t blow up your longstanding friendship or create an argument as you will lose.

Blow it up? I'd take a flamethrower to it! I would not want to be part of any friendship group so rude and thoughtless. I do agree that they didn't intend to offend but they didn't expect the OP to be offended by their entitiled behaviour which to me is worse.

ChristmasPudd1990 · 19/01/2025 12:34

CharlotteUnaNatalieThompson · 19/01/2025 10:34

I had a message this morning, sent late last night from friend B to say the group had tried to arrange something nice for me, and Joan especially had worked hard to make it special, and they were all ‘disappointed’ that I didn’t seem to like the idea.

Actually I think I'd send this:

B has messaged to say you are disappointed that having worked hard to make my birthday special I didn't seem to like the idea.

What you're not considering is that I had already worked hard to make my birthday special, by arranging the celebration I really wanted. I'm sure you thought you were doing something nice but what you've actually done is dismiss my plans as not good enough and replaced them with something you'd rather do instead. With seemingly no consideration about what I'd enjoy and totally out of my budget.

So actually I'm also disappointed. And I've made plans with my family instead.

This!! 100 💯

VitDgummies · 19/01/2025 12:34

It doesn’t matter if they like crafts or not if they’re her good friends they would make the effort considering they’re all local and there’s no cost issues.

I find people who can only celebrate friends birthdays if they’re doing something they would like to do quite self-centred and silly.

I’ve just remembered something slightly similar but much less extreme happened to me a while back. I organised an English afternoon tea for my birthday and a friend said she wasn’t coming as she didn’t like it but sent me a link to an Asian style afternoon tea and said if I’d change it to that she would come.

I found it really absurd and just told her no I wasn’t going to change my event for her. The hotel I was having it at was close to her area and I was paying for everyone’s afternoon tea. So even if it wasn’t her thing, the idea that she couldn’t jump on the underground to come and eat a cake or two in honor of my birthday was a bit strange to me. It was the weekend and she didn’t have any childcare or work commitments.

Especially as I’ve travelled from Manchester to London to attend her various events before including things I wouldn’t necessarily have chosen myself. We’re still friends but it did make me open my eyes a bit about her and now I feel ok about returning the energy and declining things she invites me to if they don’t float my boat 😆

3kgNET · 19/01/2025 12:35

Pebblesonthebeach40 · 19/01/2025 09:28

Hopefully they do see it and realise how awful they are. What sort of 'friends' replace the birthday girls suggested idea with their own excuse for a getaway of their own choice.

I agree. I hope so too, but just saying I wouldn’t engage further either if I recognised myself in a post like this. Or I’s reply like friend B who wanted to go for dinner.

godmum56 · 19/01/2025 12:36

OP I am glad you have one good friend....maybe think about contacting the other fader outers....nothing heavy, just to see how they are.

dappledeverglade · 19/01/2025 12:37

Mirabai · 19/01/2025 12:24

I had a message this morning, sent late last night from friend B to say the group had tried to arrange something nice for me, and Joan especially had worked hard to make it special, and they were all ‘disappointed’ that I didn’t seem to like the idea. Subtlety suggesting I should be more receptive, and open to the weekend away. Just as some pp had said.

While it’s true that they may be using the excuse of your birthday for a knees up abroad, I think you need to to acknowledge that they were genuinely trying to do something they thought you’d enjoy and were not aware that you couldn’t afford it or that you wouldn’t like it.

I can see it’s disappointing for them that something that they had been planning to please you however misguided, has been rejected wholesale.

They sound like their hearts are in the right place and care about you.

I can see they might have got carried away, and they wanted to make it fun maybe, and this is probably their version of that. Maybe it is highlighting the fact we are all hitting 40 now and have different interests. We have more time now the kids are older. I just can’t do club weekends anymore, but 10 years ago I probably would have gone. Maybe I have changed as well. Turning into a lovely MN knitter after all! 🧶🧵

OP posts:
VitDgummies · 19/01/2025 12:37

dappledeverglade · 19/01/2025 11:45

Well friend E just txted (not on gc) to say she thought my birthday idea was lovely and she would have enjoyed it, would I mind if she took me out for dinner instead if it’s not happening? So that’s really made my day! Maybe not all is lost with all of them.

That’s lovely, I think friend E is a keeper!

ChristmasPudd1990 · 19/01/2025 12:38

JustWalkingTheDogs · 19/01/2025 10:35

Id just be honest in my response.

Hey, sorry if I've scuppered your plans, but as I said money is a bit tight so I can't afford this right now. It's also not my thing tbh.

I thought you'd all appreciate the craft day and tea I'd arranged, as it's something I've fancied doing which is within my budget. It might not be the grand gesture that you all had in mind for a 40th but I was looking forward to it.

As no one seemed that bothered about my arrangements, I've now cancelled it and decided to do something with dh instead. How you all enjoy your trip and maybe we can catch up another time x

I would lose the last sentence and distance myself tbh.

Floralnomad · 19/01/2025 12:42

Sounds like it’s time to start a new group with friend E and let the rest of them crack on . I hope you have a lovely time in Scotland .

Caerulea · 19/01/2025 12:44

dappledeverglade · 19/01/2025 11:45

Well friend E just txted (not on gc) to say she thought my birthday idea was lovely and she would have enjoyed it, would I mind if she took me out for dinner instead if it’s not happening? So that’s really made my day! Maybe not all is lost with all of them.

Been watching your updates from behind my fingers cos it's just so bloody awful & this group (Joan's Cronies) sound unbearable.

But this update is lovely & I'm really pleased there's a normal human among them & that she's reached out to you!

Also - your Scotland trip sounds far far nicer. All in all this is a win for you - albeit a slightly awkward way to get there.

Ireolu · 19/01/2025 12:44

Astonished by this thread in its entirety. The cheek of some people bulldozing their ideas on others. Scotland will be great OP enjoy.

Travelodge · 19/01/2025 12:45

dappledeverglade · 18/01/2025 16:59

That is about the strength of it yes. They didn’t even acknowledge my birthday - literally just said it wasn’t enough for my 40th and set about organising this weekend away.

I’m obviously very embarrassed. I did run it by a few and they said it sounded really nice. So I just assumed they would be happy to come.

They are being awful. I’m so sorry. I would send the message someone up thread suggested, but add a bit: "I did ask a few people first and they agreed they would enjoy it so I don’t understand why it’s suddenly not a good idea. It’s supposed to be to celebrate my birthday and I thought you were all good enough friends to agree to what I chose for this occasion. I’m very sad and hurt that apparently I was wrong and instead you want to do something for my birthday that you must know is not my type of thing, and currently I can’t stretch to it financially.

But it’s all spoilt now anyway."

Let them feel guilty.

Partybagprick · 19/01/2025 12:46

thescandalwascontained · 19/01/2025 12:25

I know loads of women who would love a craft class: stained glass making; wreath making; painting events at local venues. They're sociable.

Me too. I've done years of traveling, clubbing and crafting. I don't understand the comments about crafting being for the elderly. Are people that out of touch and unaware of the huge movement over the last 15 years in crafting, upcycling, creative arts amongst the trendy young folk? Personally, doing a craft I haven't done before and having something lovely and interesting to take home would mean more to me to mark a special birthday than one more generic night out in a long history of nights out.

godmum56 · 19/01/2025 12:47

dappledeverglade · 19/01/2025 12:37

I can see they might have got carried away, and they wanted to make it fun maybe, and this is probably their version of that. Maybe it is highlighting the fact we are all hitting 40 now and have different interests. We have more time now the kids are older. I just can’t do club weekends anymore, but 10 years ago I probably would have gone. Maybe I have changed as well. Turning into a lovely MN knitter after all! 🧶🧵

but would you EVER have overrun a friend's invitation to the birthday activity that they had suggested...I mean I can think if things I dislike enough that I would have said "sorry but I really can't do that" but I would have added "but have a wonderful time" NOT "so lets all do what I want instead"

AleaEim · 19/01/2025 13:02

So strange, they don’t sound like good friends especially with one of them you sly digs. O had friends like this in my teens/ twenties and I have gladly gotten rid of them now and have fewer but better friends. I’m in London, and this is what Londoners do, crafty cafe type of thing and then nice dinner, never been away with friends for birthdays past the age of 30…

SanctusInDistress · 19/01/2025 13:02

dappledeverglade · 19/01/2025 11:45

Well friend E just txted (not on gc) to say she thought my birthday idea was lovely and she would have enjoyed it, would I mind if she took me out for dinner instead if it’s not happening? So that’s really made my day! Maybe not all is lost with all of them.

You’ll know very quickly who your true friends are. This one sounds like one of them.

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