Child Safeguarding Win, Puberty Blockers have been indefinitely banned across the ENTIRE of the UK (for off label use, precocious puberty use remains)

[MrBungle]

A great day for child safeguarding, this is evidence, reason and medical expertise over pressure groups.

https://archive.ph/mWufj

A terrible shame for those children that this is too late for, who have been permanently harmed by ideologues and will never be able to have their body back the way it should have grown.

"Puberty blockers for under-18s banned after warning of ‘unacceptable risk’ to children
Existing emergency measures in UK outlawing sale and supply to be made indefinite following official advice from medical experts"

It seems it's time for the analysis of the "suicide stats" claims again...

www.transgendertrend.com/a-scientist-reviews-transgender-suicide-stats/

That's exactly what it is. An appalling attempt at manipulation.

I'm guessing you've taken puberty blockers? Are you still being regularly monitored by medical professionals? Sorry if you've answered that and I missed it.

In my experience it's trans activists who making being trans their entire personality.

My 6 year old told me that she wished she had been born a husky so she could stay in the snow all day and not get cold. She still loves the snow even now and wishes she could spend all day building a snow city. Doesn't mean I should get her a parvo jab and start feeding her tins of Pal.

Stop weaponising child suicide to support your ideology. It's completely irresponsible.

There is no credible evidence to support this claim whatsoever.

There was a suicide of a young person in our area post-transition (not someone I knew personally, but overlapping child social circles). I remain very unconvinced that transition treatment does anything other than deflect precarious mental health into other obsessions.

Thank you. I was very pleased to hear Wes Streeting talking eloquently about these fake claims and how they breach the Samaritan's guidelines on reporting on suicide. He reminded an MP who claimed that these alleged child deaths were going unreported, that in this country the National Child Mortality Database collects data on all children in England who die before their 18th birthday with a local Child Death Overview Panel reviewing all cases.

As he pointed out, we know about all child deaths and there's no evidence to support these irresponsible claims. Sadly it doesn't stop profoundly ignorant adults (including MPs who should know better) in making claims like this for their own purposes.

You mean the proven very vanishingly slim risks of suicide? The fact that trans ideology is a deeply homophobic agenda is not a 'conspiracy theory'. You trivialise the suffering of families of children affected by these very dangerous drugs that destroy their bodies and lives so cruelly. Your gaslighting would be amusing if children weren't being cruelly destroyed by this very dangerous ideology that destroys their healthy bodies.

the National Child Mortality Database collects data on all children in England who die before their 18th birthday with a local Child Death Overview Panel reviewing all cases.

Thank you so much for this @MrsOvertonsWindow I had no idea that such an organisation even existed. There's a wealth of information and data on that site. I wondered how these deaths could be going unreported? To say it is reassuring that they're not would be an understatement.

The risk of suicide is a different matter, how would you measure that, but it doesn't apply exclusively to gender questioning young people.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/review-of-suicides-and-gender-dysphoria-at-the-tavistock-and-portman-nhs-foundation-trust/review-of-suicides-and-gender-dysphoria-at-the-tavistock-and-portman-nhs-foundation-trust-independent-report

1. 'The data do not support the claim that there has been a large rise in suicide in young gender dysphoria patients at the Tavistock.
2. The way that this issue has been discussed on social media has been insensitive, distressing and dangerous, and goes against guidance on safe reporting of suicide.
3. The claims that have been placed in the public domain do not meet basic standards for statistical evidence.
4. There is a need to move away from the perception that puberty-blocking drugs are the main marker of non-judgemental acceptance in this area of health care.
5. We need to ensure high quality data in which everyone has confidence, as the basis of improved safety for this at risk group of young people.'

I did yes. I was transferred to and then discharged from the adult GIC a long, long time ago. I have periodic checkups but I've been on CSH for over 20 years.

I knew several of these young people. We had a devastating death in the local community quite recently whose impact is still being keenly felt. It's recently been confirmed that at least some of these deaths were actively excluded from the stats.

I cannot even begin to comprehend the frame of mind that must be required to actively work to obfuscate and downplay the significance of any of these completely avoidable, awful tragedies. Just heartbreaking and horrifying.

It's recently been confirmed that at least some of these deaths were actively excluded from the stats.

More lies 🙄

Thank you for answering. There are a couple of points here I'm trying to get my head around. The DHSC states Licensing of medicines requires a robust assessment of safety and effectiveness data. These medications have not undergone that process, which means the safety and risk implications for use with gender dysphoria have not been assessed.

Aren't you concerned about the safety and risk implications to yourself given that these medications haven't been properly assessed over the long term?

Aren't you concerned about the safety and risk implications to young people given that these medications haven't been properly assessed over the long term? Even if you don't mind being a kind of trial case yourself, so to speak, why is it a good idea for other people to be subjected to that?

You say you have "check-ups" but that doesn't sound like you're part of a proper structured study on the benefits/harms of this medication?

Science and understanding has moved on in 20+ years, isn't that a good thing for future generations?

healthmedia.blog.gov.uk/2024/12/11/puberty-blockers-what-you-need-to-know/

It's recently been confirmed that at least some of these deaths were actively excluded from the stats.

I don't see how they can have been excluded? Can you say some more about that?

I cannot even begin to comprehend the frame of mind that must be required to actively work to obfuscate and downplay the significance of any of these completely avoidable, awful tragedies.

I don't see that happening on this thread, do you mean in your local community?

If you tell vulnerable young people that they will want to commit suicide if they can't access puberty blockers then it's on you if they go on to do it.

I don't blame the lack of puberty blockers. I blame the adults who are feeding terrible lies to vulnerable YP.

The whole thing is grim. Thank goodness for Wes Streeting and I do think there now should be a specific offence committed if YP are fed the line that these drugs are necessary for suicide prevention.

Yet the Secretary of State who confirmed that all deaths of Under 18s are formally reviewed by the system I mentioned upthread at 11.57 and stated that their are no cases. Please cite your evidence for your dangerous claim that the suicide of children is being deliberately covered up.

The Samaritan's have clear guidelines on the responsible reporting of suicide. They highlight that poor practice can cause further loss of life, especially in more vulnerable groups such as the young and people with mental health problems.

In particular they note that:
"Speculation about the ‘trigger’ or cause of a suicide can oversimplify the issue and should be avoided. Suicide is extremely complex and most of the time there is no single event or factor that leads someone to take their own life".
and:
"Young people are more susceptible to suicide contagion"

To repeatedly weaponise the suicide of children is as low as anyone can go and posters will quite rightly call you out every time you use this tactic.

I've heard the same claim about murders of trans people being covered up/deliberately excluded from the stats.

Like, how is that even possible?

Retract that, or anyone reading this thread will know you're a liar. Every under 18 who dies in the uk is recorded and their death goes to the panel, even when their death was completely expected eg they had a terminal illness. No deaths of under 18s have been excluded from stats. That is categorically untrue.

I can assure you that I did need anyone to tell me how I was feeling when I pursued this treatment in my own childhood.

Such a strange argument to claim that acknowledging the symptoms we ourselves describe is what causes them.

I've asked you before how old you were when you obtained puberty blockers Butterfly and are you in the UK?

And this has nothing to do with adults lying to children that they will want to commit suicide if they are not prescribed them.

Because it's so important, here's the link for the Samaritans about responsible reporting of suicide by the Media. Although posters on here are not "the media" as an online forum aimed at parents and making parents' lives easier, we shouldn't allow reckless statements about child suicide to go unchallenged.

www.samaritans.org/about-samaritans/media-guidelines/10-top-tips-reporting-suicide/

UK. I was forced to wait until 16. I got very lucky though - I started puberty late and saw some resistance to the changes which had been commented on at the time by staff at the clinics (I later found this had a couple of hereditary genetic variations behind it when I got myself tested)

I have a real problem now. My union is PCS and their 'Proud' section is up in arms about this.

PCS is very pro trans etc, and I am getting very pissed off. But unsure what I can do.

As a "cisgender" woman I am in need of a union however they are really alienating me.

Any suggestions?

PCS only union in our company.
Don't want to be union-less.