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Child Safeguarding Win, Puberty Blockers have been indefinitely banned across the ENTIRE of the UK (for off label use, precocious puberty use remains)

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MrBungle · 11/12/2024 14:05

A great day for child safeguarding, this is evidence, reason and medical expertise over pressure groups.

https://archive.ph/mWufj

A terrible shame for those children that this is too late for, who have been permanently harmed by ideologues and will never be able to have their body back the way it should have grown.

"Puberty blockers for under-18s banned after warning of ‘unacceptable risk’ to children
Existing emergency measures in UK outlawing sale and supply to be made indefinite following official advice from medical experts"

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BodyKeepingScore · 13/12/2024 23:34

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That sounds awfully like a negative attitude toward trans people or transness in general.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 14/12/2024 01:02

ButterflyHatched · 13/12/2024 22:59

I can't wait to see what you're going to accuse me of lying about next. I have a good chortle each time I see a new 'you must be lying' comment. It long ago reached cartoonish levels of hostility - genuinely hilarious to see the desperate contortions whenever an inconvenient detail about my life is reflexively denounced as a lie. My favourite one was how literally years of assertions that I couldn't possibly have successfully lived my entire adult life so far while being accepted in society as a woman immediately dissolved the moment I mentioned I had dared to have sex, at which point suddenly it was taken on faith because it meant I could be called an evil deceiver instead. I was a vulnerable brainwashed gay boy until I spontaneously metamorphosised into a heterosexual male fetishistic predator, you see.

I find it a source of great amusement to see how the story keeps getting twisted to fit whatever particular mode of demonisation best fits at the time. It's impossible to successfully be stealth and pass as a woman until you have sex at which point you're an evil manipulative shapeshifting predator. If you are healthy and fit then you're a smug and non-representative outlier who is leading others down a path of ruin, but if you have any medical conditions then they are damning evidence of the devastating irreversible evil of puberty blockers. Which you can't have possibly been subscribed, but which you had to have taken so that they can be blamed.

I'm so sorry that my existence is such a vexatious source of frustration to you. I really love it when you keep denying that anything I say could possibly happen. It only serves to make you come across as a screaming toddler who wails that they've only had one bedtime story despite this being the third.

Me me me me me myself I I I I me me me me myself I.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/12/2024 01:14

Genuinely think next PM.

I've gone from hugely disliking him due to Madigan's Stasiesque Labour Against Transphobia Facebook group that Wes joined in 2018, to being hugely impressed with his steadfastness and how he's handled this specific issue. I still don't entirely trust him, but I think he's seen the writing on the wall re genderism and he's ambitious for the top job, and a good candidate for it.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/12/2024 01:20

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/12/2024 10:02

I suppose that's why studies keep finding them to be safe and effective then?

Please link one or more studies you find particularly compelling @ButterflyHatched

So much self absorbed waffle, so few links to studies... have you managed to find one or two of the many compelling studies for puberty blockers yet @ButterflyHatched?

UtopiaPlanitia · 14/12/2024 02:59

Information from the Republic of Ireland related to Wes Streeting's announcement:

https://www.newstalk.com/news/unknown-effects-should-ireland-adopt-the-uks-puberty-blockers-ban-2116763

Excerpts from the article:

"On Newstalk Breakfast, National Gender Service consultant psychiatrist Dr Paul Moran said this has been “coming for a while” and “stems from research in Europe and in Britain”.

...Dr Moran said there was a “small trial” completed in Holland with “inconclusive” results, but it was “not a randomised control trial”.

“When you want to see if a treatment works or what harms, you have to compare a group of patients who get the treatment with a group who don't - in this case, that didn't happen,” he said.

“So, we don't know yet what their true effect of this treatment is.
“When [gender dysphoria treatment] was widespread throughout the world, what was noticed that the effect of this was not what was hoped for, both in terms of relieving the children of distress about their bodies or improving the mental health.”

Dr Moran said “concerns” have arisen around the “effects of stopping puberty”.
“We know that the that the hormones that involved in puberty, such as testosterone and oestrogen aren't just sex hormones,” he said.
“They're sex and bone and brain hormones, and they're essential for the development of the body and the brain.”

“When you stop that happening, there are unknown effects,” Dr Moran said.
“We do know that, for example, in the children who received these blockers for long periods, it stopped the development of their bones - many of them were much, much shorter than they should have been, and many of them developed bone problems and fractures.

“We also know that there's some evidence that the brains did not develop as they should have.”

Puberty is “really important in the process of growing from being a child and adult” Dr Moran said.

“Across Europe and in Britain, the Governments have said this is an unknown treatment and we have to do some proper research before we can decide if it's safe or not,” he said.

Dr Moran said he believes Ireland should follow the UK’s lead and The Cass Report, created by Dr Hilary Cass.

...Dr Moran said that if children are having problems with gender, “they need a far more comprehensive assessment than just being put straight on to treatments that stop them developing their bodies”.

“I think that what we need to do is develop a holistic, multi-disciplinary approach to the care of these children,” he said.

“What we know is that the children who are presenting are far more complex than is presented in the media.

“A lot of them have difficulty socialising, functioning mental health problems, and what they need is a proper multi-disciplinary service to look at their whole needs and not just focus in on their gender dysphoria.”

Dr Moran said he has received no response from the Health Service Executive about concerns he communicated in regards to the treatment for children with gender dysphoria in Ireland.

'Unknown effects' - Should Ireland adopt the UK's puberty blockers ban?

A ban on puberty blockers for children diagnosed with gender dysphoria in the UK has been put in place for an indefinite time.

https://www.newstalk.com/news/unknown-effects-should-ireland-adopt-the-uks-puberty-blockers-ban-2116763

MrBungle · 14/12/2024 04:21

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BodyKeepingScore · 14/12/2024 08:36

@ButterflyHatched I have a negative attitude to any person who comes on a thread and just outright lies to people.

MrBungle · 14/12/2024 14:08

As the poll closes, I am ashamed that even 8% of people thinker's ok to give children, who cannot consent, powerful, life altering drugs, that they don't understand, cannot consent to, and DO NOT WORK.

8% should hang their heads in shame.

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Readytoevolve · 14/12/2024 19:27

I’m disappointed to see Nicola Coughlan shared a story which condemns the new ruling. I used to like her….

TheKeatingFive · 14/12/2024 22:15

Readytoevolve · 14/12/2024 19:27

I’m disappointed to see Nicola Coughlan shared a story which condemns the new ruling. I used to like her….

She is 100% progressive left and has been amply rewarded for it in positive attention. I suspect she's not the sharpest tool in the box either.

I like her as an actress, but we need to separate the enjoyment of peoples talents from placing value on their opinions.

Xtraincome · 14/12/2024 22:47

Excellent news! I just have to add to those who hate the ruling for personal reasons, is there really no way you could conceive that maybe these drugs for children are inappropriate due to their age and inability to consent?

Really great to hear. Let's hope we invest more money in supporting these children and their families with psychological and behavioural support, especially as so many are on the spectrum.

JLou08 · 14/12/2024 23:12

Xtraincome · 14/12/2024 22:47

Excellent news! I just have to add to those who hate the ruling for personal reasons, is there really no way you could conceive that maybe these drugs for children are inappropriate due to their age and inability to consent?

Really great to hear. Let's hope we invest more money in supporting these children and their families with psychological and behavioural support, especially as so many are on the spectrum.

I'm sure many of them could if there was some acceptance that some people are better off after transitioning and we accept trans people. Some of the comments on this thread and other threads are full of hate for trans people and it just leads to people being in fight mode.

Xtraincome · 15/12/2024 00:34

@JLou08 I absolutely appreciate that some will go on to transition later in life, but never ever should a child be subject to hormone blockers IMO. That is a decision for adults after years of mental health support and psychiatric evaluation.

ButterflyHatched · 16/12/2024 00:32

Xtraincome · 15/12/2024 00:34

@JLou08 I absolutely appreciate that some will go on to transition later in life, but never ever should a child be subject to hormone blockers IMO. That is a decision for adults after years of mental health support and psychiatric evaluation.

We don't have the luxury of spending years waiting to be told something we've known from the age of 6 and have consistently and intensely felt every day of our lives since then. Especially when the changes that are being wrought by our bodies are time-critical and irreversible.

It isn't the right path for everyone but it is absolutely the right path for some of us, and the UK has just banned the branch of the path that gives us the second-best chance of experiencing a reliable and consistent sense of congruence in adulthood. This opens up the question of bypassing the gatekeeping concessionary 'safety net' stopgap of GnRH agonists and jumping straight to Cross-Sex Hormones as the main treatment - which would be the preferred option for most trans youth anyway.

IdylicDay · 16/12/2024 00:45

ButterflyHatched · 16/12/2024 00:32

We don't have the luxury of spending years waiting to be told something we've known from the age of 6 and have consistently and intensely felt every day of our lives since then. Especially when the changes that are being wrought by our bodies are time-critical and irreversible.

It isn't the right path for everyone but it is absolutely the right path for some of us, and the UK has just banned the branch of the path that gives us the second-best chance of experiencing a reliable and consistent sense of congruence in adulthood. This opens up the question of bypassing the gatekeeping concessionary 'safety net' stopgap of GnRH agonists and jumping straight to Cross-Sex Hormones as the main treatment - which would be the preferred option for most trans youth anyway.

No one has any understanding of what gender and sex even is at age 6. Just more proof this is all about stereotypes. And no one child or teen should be put on dangerous and irreversible drugs for a physical condition for what is a psychological condition.

IdylicDay · 16/12/2024 01:57

As a gay activist said on Twitter: "No child ever died from a chronic case of unblocked puberty

They just grew up gay That of course, is worse than death to the purveyors of anti-gay chemical weapons who weep false tears in parliament at the prospect of having a camp son or butch daughter

That's their real fear."

nothingcomestonothing · 16/12/2024 07:37

the changes that are being wrought by our bodies are time-critical and irreversible.

Your sex is irreversible, whatever drugs you do or don't get. And puberty is indeed time critical, for the changes being wrought in brains and bones - both are being formed during puberty in ways which cannot be remedied later.

Sex change is a lie, it is not possible for humans to change sex, and medicine should not be used to reinforce lies told to children and adolescents.

ArabellaScott · 16/12/2024 07:43

IdylicDay · 16/12/2024 00:45

No one has any understanding of what gender and sex even is at age 6. Just more proof this is all about stereotypes. And no one child or teen should be put on dangerous and irreversible drugs for a physical condition for what is a psychological condition.

Ah, come on now. If a six year old is really really convinced they ought to have been born the opposite sex, them why not feed them hormones? What could possibly go wrong?!

Utter, utter madness.

ButterflyHatched · 16/12/2024 10:41

ArabellaScott · 16/12/2024 07:43

Ah, come on now. If a six year old is really really convinced they ought to have been born the opposite sex, them why not feed them hormones? What could possibly go wrong?!

Utter, utter madness.

I don't believe anyone is arguing for that?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 16/12/2024 10:42

ButterflyHatched · 16/12/2024 00:32

We don't have the luxury of spending years waiting to be told something we've known from the age of 6 and have consistently and intensely felt every day of our lives since then. Especially when the changes that are being wrought by our bodies are time-critical and irreversible.

It isn't the right path for everyone but it is absolutely the right path for some of us, and the UK has just banned the branch of the path that gives us the second-best chance of experiencing a reliable and consistent sense of congruence in adulthood. This opens up the question of bypassing the gatekeeping concessionary 'safety net' stopgap of GnRH agonists and jumping straight to Cross-Sex Hormones as the main treatment - which would be the preferred option for most trans youth anyway.

The issue isn't that you've "known since you were 6".

6 year olds believe in fairies and Santa.

The issue is that no one told 6 year old you that you cannot and will not ever be a girl or a woman.

I feel sorry for you because you obviously want to cling to the belief that this was appropriate and necessary "treatment" for you and that you would have been much worse off without it, but statistically it's far more likely that you'd have grown out of it and had a normal adult life.

ButterflyHatched · 16/12/2024 10:50

IdylicDay · 16/12/2024 01:57

As a gay activist said on Twitter: "No child ever died from a chronic case of unblocked puberty

They just grew up gay That of course, is worse than death to the purveyors of anti-gay chemical weapons who weep false tears in parliament at the prospect of having a camp son or butch daughter

That's their real fear."

An impressive feat - managing to ignore the very real risks of suicide for gender incongruent youth, promote a transphobic conspiracy theory and trivialise the suffering of the families of children affected by this cruel ban in such a succinct little block of words.

I remain, as many of us do, inconveniently bisexual by the way.

TheKeatingFive · 16/12/2024 10:51

managing to ignore the very real risks of suicide for gender incongruent youth

This has been debunked time and time again. It is dangerous misinformation. Why do you keep spreading it?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/12/2024 10:55

Because the fake narrative can be pushed, and hopefully enough people will see it and think it's true.

Did you manage to find any of those studies about the safety and efficacy of puberty blockers yet @ButterflyHatched? I thought there were lots, didn't realise it was going to be so onerous for you!

BigFrau · 16/12/2024 10:55

TheKeatingFive · 16/12/2024 10:51

managing to ignore the very real risks of suicide for gender incongruent youth

This has been debunked time and time again. It is dangerous misinformation. Why do you keep spreading it?

I'm glad you challenged this, I thought the suicide claim had been debunked ages ago?

It just seems like an attempt to scare and guilt trip parents and carers.