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Child Safeguarding Win, Puberty Blockers have been indefinitely banned across the ENTIRE of the UK (for off label use, precocious puberty use remains)

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MrBungle · 11/12/2024 14:05

A great day for child safeguarding, this is evidence, reason and medical expertise over pressure groups.

https://archive.ph/mWufj

A terrible shame for those children that this is too late for, who have been permanently harmed by ideologues and will never be able to have their body back the way it should have grown.

"Puberty blockers for under-18s banned after warning of ‘unacceptable risk’ to children
Existing emergency measures in UK outlawing sale and supply to be made indefinite following official advice from medical experts"

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NoCarbsForMe · 12/12/2024 18:54

👏👏👏

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/12/2024 19:28

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/12/2024 10:02

I suppose that's why studies keep finding them to be safe and effective then?

Please link one or more studies you find particularly compelling @ButterflyHatched

Are you having an extra good think about which ones to post @ButterflyHatched ?

Because it seemed like it should be a simple thing for you to do.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 12/12/2024 19:45

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/12/2024 19:28

Are you having an extra good think about which ones to post @ButterflyHatched ?

Because it seemed like it should be a simple thing for you to do.

I assumed @ButterflyHatched was busy researching the names of trans Holocaust victims to share with us.

IdylicDay · 13/12/2024 01:45

ButterflyHatched · 12/12/2024 09:53

I suppose that's why studies keep finding them to be safe and effective then?

Not one study has ever found them safe and effective. Not one. Studies - including by the Mayo Clinic - have found they are dangerous.

Please don't lie.

BodyKeepingScore · 13/12/2024 07:34

@ButterflyHatched you can't have been that young when you began treatment if you're in your 40s now? Puberty blockers haven't been available to treat gender dysphoria for very long in the UK.

They only became available in the 2000s
So even if you're only 40 now, you'd have been 27 in 2011 when the uncontrolled study opened, and 30 when they became available outside of that in 2014?

You claim you were very young when treatment began so how can that be so?

Ytcsghisn · 13/12/2024 07:40

It was a hardly a difficult decision to make. Most everyday, regular people don’t subscribe to this batshittery anyway.

The fact that is hadn’t been banned already shows how the woke mind virus has infected those in power.

jeaux90 · 13/12/2024 07:42

It's brilliant news!

Anyone advocating for arresting the development of children is a massive red flag.

nothingcomestonothing · 13/12/2024 08:03

the people unconvincingly hijacking exclusionary feminist messaging in order to take our healthcare away

Healthcare should be safe and based on sound evidence. This isn't taking healthcare away, this is righting a wrong which should never have been able to happen. Children have been caused irreparable damage, it should be a national scandal.

MrBungle · 13/12/2024 09:30

nothingcomestonothing · 13/12/2024 08:03

the people unconvincingly hijacking exclusionary feminist messaging in order to take our healthcare away

Healthcare should be safe and based on sound evidence. This isn't taking healthcare away, this is righting a wrong which should never have been able to happen. Children have been caused irreparable damage, it should be a national scandal.

Exactly. Health care is not being taken away the RIGHT healthcare needs to be supplied. That happens to not be surgery and drugs.

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ButterflyHatched · 13/12/2024 14:33

BodyKeepingScore · 13/12/2024 07:34

@ButterflyHatched you can't have been that young when you began treatment if you're in your 40s now? Puberty blockers haven't been available to treat gender dysphoria for very long in the UK.

They only became available in the 2000s
So even if you're only 40 now, you'd have been 27 in 2011 when the uncontrolled study opened, and 30 when they became available outside of that in 2014?

You claim you were very young when treatment began so how can that be so?

This is what happens when real history is rewritten by axe-grinding transphobes keen to erase the truth and then fed to hack journalists desperate to manufacture an outrage bait story.

GIDS was making referrals for GnRH agonist treatment for gender incongruent youth long, long before 2011. Many of us went through that system long before WPUK and JK Rowling started the bandwagon of making attacking our treatment your entire personality.

You do not know our story. Frankly, that is a mercy in many ways. The clinicians in both GIDS and adult services had the foresight to protect us.

BodyKeepingScore · 13/12/2024 14:42

ButterflyHatched · 13/12/2024 14:33

This is what happens when real history is rewritten by axe-grinding transphobes keen to erase the truth and then fed to hack journalists desperate to manufacture an outrage bait story.

GIDS was making referrals for GnRH agonist treatment for gender incongruent youth long, long before 2011. Many of us went through that system long before WPUK and JK Rowling started the bandwagon of making attacking our treatment your entire personality.

You do not know our story. Frankly, that is a mercy in many ways. The clinicians in both GIDS and adult services had the foresight to protect us.

I didn’t take my information from JK Rowling. It’s publicly available information on RCGP website here https://www.rcgp.org.uk/representing-you/policy-areas/transgender-care

Child Safeguarding Win, Puberty Blockers have been indefinitely banned across the ENTIRE of the UK (for off label use, precocious puberty use remains)
BodyKeepingScore · 13/12/2024 14:47

ButterflyHatched · 13/12/2024 14:33

This is what happens when real history is rewritten by axe-grinding transphobes keen to erase the truth and then fed to hack journalists desperate to manufacture an outrage bait story.

GIDS was making referrals for GnRH agonist treatment for gender incongruent youth long, long before 2011. Many of us went through that system long before WPUK and JK Rowling started the bandwagon of making attacking our treatment your entire personality.

You do not know our story. Frankly, that is a mercy in many ways. The clinicians in both GIDS and adult services had the foresight to protect us.

And here…

So I’m curious about any evidence you could provide showing that puberty blockers were prescribed in the UK for gender dysphoria prior to this?

Child Safeguarding Win, Puberty Blockers have been indefinitely banned across the ENTIRE of the UK (for off label use, precocious puberty use remains)
TheKeatingFive · 13/12/2024 15:12

Have you found any studies you'd like to share with us @ButterflyHatched ?

MrBungle · 13/12/2024 16:15

ButterflyHatched · 13/12/2024 14:33

This is what happens when real history is rewritten by axe-grinding transphobes keen to erase the truth and then fed to hack journalists desperate to manufacture an outrage bait story.

GIDS was making referrals for GnRH agonist treatment for gender incongruent youth long, long before 2011. Many of us went through that system long before WPUK and JK Rowling started the bandwagon of making attacking our treatment your entire personality.

You do not know our story. Frankly, that is a mercy in many ways. The clinicians in both GIDS and adult services had the foresight to protect us.

That’s GIDS that was disbanded through gross mismanagement and practitioners who have been mainly pushed out of gender medicine right?

wonder why that happened?

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MrBungle · 13/12/2024 16:16

TheKeatingFive · 13/12/2024 15:12

Have you found any studies you'd like to share with us @ButterflyHatched ?

Or indeed any feedback and responses to the detailed and polite points people have made?

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 13/12/2024 16:26

Clearly this is a good thing, though the noisy pressure groups will doubtless go berserk, but just one question ... what's to stop them flogging their drugs online, and probably from overseas?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 13/12/2024 16:49

Puzzledandpissedoff · 13/12/2024 16:26

Clearly this is a good thing, though the noisy pressure groups will doubtless go berserk, but just one question ... what's to stop them flogging their drugs online, and probably from overseas?

If this happens a lot I think ultimately it will need to be made a criminal offence to source "treatment" for your child from abroad which isn't legal in the UK.

spannasaurus · 13/12/2024 16:55

In his speech in parliament Wes Streeting said it was a criminal offence to be in possession of puberty blockers without a lawful prescription but nothing was said about removing a child from the UK to have treatment

nothingcomestonothing · 13/12/2024 17:04

BodyKeepingScore · 13/12/2024 14:47

And here…

So I’m curious about any evidence you could provide showing that puberty blockers were prescribed in the UK for gender dysphoria prior to this?

Butterfly's got form for... umm...describing having experienced an unusual treatment pathway. Butterfly claims to be both be trans and have a DSD, as well as having had treatment which wasn't being used at the time Butterfly says Butterfly had it. Very unusual. Still I think Butterfly's posts are Illuminating in their own way.

BodyKeepingScore · 13/12/2024 17:21

nothingcomestonothing · 13/12/2024 17:04

Butterfly's got form for... umm...describing having experienced an unusual treatment pathway. Butterfly claims to be both be trans and have a DSD, as well as having had treatment which wasn't being used at the time Butterfly says Butterfly had it. Very unusual. Still I think Butterfly's posts are Illuminating in their own way.

Oh I’m perfectly aware that Butterfly is being entirely dishonest in their account. I just felt it was pertinent to post the facts of the matter here so that it was obvious to others too.

JohnTheRevelator · 13/12/2024 17:33

So glad to hear this. Common sense has prevailed at last.

Bowup · 13/12/2024 17:36

Thank god, I honestly thought Streeting was your usual just fly with the common opinion type, but he’s actually put in practical measures to stop this lunacy.

MrBungle · 13/12/2024 21:45

Bowup · 13/12/2024 17:36

Thank god, I honestly thought Streeting was your usual just fly with the common opinion type, but he’s actually put in practical measures to stop this lunacy.

Genuinely think next PM.

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ButterflyHatched · 13/12/2024 22:59

nothingcomestonothing · 13/12/2024 17:04

Butterfly's got form for... umm...describing having experienced an unusual treatment pathway. Butterfly claims to be both be trans and have a DSD, as well as having had treatment which wasn't being used at the time Butterfly says Butterfly had it. Very unusual. Still I think Butterfly's posts are Illuminating in their own way.

I can't wait to see what you're going to accuse me of lying about next. I have a good chortle each time I see a new 'you must be lying' comment. It long ago reached cartoonish levels of hostility - genuinely hilarious to see the desperate contortions whenever an inconvenient detail about my life is reflexively denounced as a lie. My favourite one was how literally years of assertions that I couldn't possibly have successfully lived my entire adult life so far while being accepted in society as a woman immediately dissolved the moment I mentioned I had dared to have sex, at which point suddenly it was taken on faith because it meant I could be called an evil deceiver instead. I was a vulnerable brainwashed gay boy until I spontaneously metamorphosised into a heterosexual male fetishistic predator, you see.

I find it a source of great amusement to see how the story keeps getting twisted to fit whatever particular mode of demonisation best fits at the time. It's impossible to successfully be stealth and pass as a woman until you have sex at which point you're an evil manipulative shapeshifting predator. If you are healthy and fit then you're a smug and non-representative outlier who is leading others down a path of ruin, but if you have any medical conditions then they are damning evidence of the devastating irreversible evil of puberty blockers. Which you can't have possibly been subscribed, but which you had to have taken so that they can be blamed.

I'm so sorry that my existence is such a vexatious source of frustration to you. I really love it when you keep denying that anything I say could possibly happen. It only serves to make you come across as a screaming toddler who wails that they've only had one bedtime story despite this being the third.

nothingcomestonothing · 13/12/2024 23:29

ButterflyHatched · 13/12/2024 22:59

I can't wait to see what you're going to accuse me of lying about next. I have a good chortle each time I see a new 'you must be lying' comment. It long ago reached cartoonish levels of hostility - genuinely hilarious to see the desperate contortions whenever an inconvenient detail about my life is reflexively denounced as a lie. My favourite one was how literally years of assertions that I couldn't possibly have successfully lived my entire adult life so far while being accepted in society as a woman immediately dissolved the moment I mentioned I had dared to have sex, at which point suddenly it was taken on faith because it meant I could be called an evil deceiver instead. I was a vulnerable brainwashed gay boy until I spontaneously metamorphosised into a heterosexual male fetishistic predator, you see.

I find it a source of great amusement to see how the story keeps getting twisted to fit whatever particular mode of demonisation best fits at the time. It's impossible to successfully be stealth and pass as a woman until you have sex at which point you're an evil manipulative shapeshifting predator. If you are healthy and fit then you're a smug and non-representative outlier who is leading others down a path of ruin, but if you have any medical conditions then they are damning evidence of the devastating irreversible evil of puberty blockers. Which you can't have possibly been subscribed, but which you had to have taken so that they can be blamed.

I'm so sorry that my existence is such a vexatious source of frustration to you. I really love it when you keep denying that anything I say could possibly happen. It only serves to make you come across as a screaming toddler who wails that they've only had one bedtime story despite this being the third.

That's nice dear.

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