Child Safeguarding Win, Puberty Blockers have been indefinitely banned across the ENTIRE of the UK (for off label use, precocious puberty use remains)

[MrBungle]

A great day for child safeguarding, this is evidence, reason and medical expertise over pressure groups.

https://archive.ph/mWufj

A terrible shame for those children that this is too late for, who have been permanently harmed by ideologues and will never be able to have their body back the way it should have grown.

"Puberty blockers for under-18s banned after warning of ‘unacceptable risk’ to children
Existing emergency measures in UK outlawing sale and supply to be made indefinite following official advice from medical experts"

If that’s the case, why have they not been able to produce extensive (or any) follow up data that shows the cohort of happy, healthy people they treated successfully?

Given the alarming number of young girls who have taken puberty blockers and/or x sex hormones that are now disabled (bone crumbling a known and very common side effect) I’d say maybe it’s because there are none. Except maybe you, who still suffers from dysphoria.

When you have no arguments and despite repeated requests, can never provide any evidence / research/ citations to support your wild allegations, all you're left with is bullying and emotional manipulation.

All showcased on this thread.

Strange that Streeting's most recent announcement mentioned targeted mental health support resources for those who have had their future options removed, and Prof Appleby's own roadmap statement has mentioned the need to downplay the link in upcoming releases.

Afaik every child that adopts a trans identity has a prior mental health or big life issue. These children have autism, have been bullied at school, suffer from family homophobia or have suffered loss or sexual abuse. A mind blowing 1 in 10 of Tavistock kids had a parent who was a convicted sex offender.

It is commendable that Streeting recognises the need to address these issues rather than pump children full of hormones that will make them worse.

When you have no arguments and despite repeated requests, can never provide any evidence / research/ citations to support your wild allegations, all you're left with is bullying and emotional manipulation.

YY. Not giving this any further oxygen.

Afaik every child that adopts a trans identity has a prior mental health or big life issue. These children have autism, have been bullied at school, suffer from family homophobia or have suffered loss or sexual abuse. A mind blowing 1 in 10 of Tavistock kids had a parent who was a convicted sex offender.

Yes, also a number of highly vulnerable looked after children.

The government has announced that the clinical trials of puberty blockers to start in the spring are the “ first in the world”.

In that case, why have any children been given these drugs to treat ‘gender dysphoria’?

Imo ‘gender dysphoria’ is a symptom, not a diagnosis in itself.

Yes, you'd think somewhere they'd have run a clinical trial, the accepted means of ensuring treatment is evidence-based, safe and effective, before now?

The fact is that medics have been experimenting on children for years, using these drugs designed to treat cancers etc 'off label". They've finally been exposed.
As this thread shows, there are still extreme transactivists determined that this should continue with mentally vulnerable children as the targets. It's only since #nodebate has failed that society is now able to highlight this abuse and we can speak more freely.

I'm not certain that there can be any ethical clinical trials on children using drugs that will impair their brain / emotional development, their fertility and their future physical health. How can any child below the age of consent give informed consent for this?

This is one of the reasons why - despite caring deeply about the environment - I didn't vote Green at the last election. They place identity politics first, and the planet last.

I personally think there's a difference between saying that happened (which you did), and trying to leverage a tragedy to guilt trip others to do what you want (which Butterfly continues to do).

The Samaritans guidance says: Don’t use emotive, romanticised language or images – a sensitive, factual approach is much safer. Coverage that reflects the wider issues around suicide, including that it is preventable, can help reduce the risk of suicidal behaviour

Someone posted this on another thread and think it would be useful to add here.

Clip of Dame Hilary Cass clarifying the points of argument in the HOL yesterday:

https://x.com/SexMattersOrg/status/1868772967637041520?t=cExr8RJz9lB_35UyZDlFWQ&s=19

A lot of children presenting to mental health services have been through hugely unpleasant circumstances and need a great deal of support.

Dealing with that and also with gender dysphoria must be horrendous. I only had to deal with the dysphoria and it was bad enough on its own.

Please stop with the projection that every young person experiencing gender incongruence has some kind of issue that invalidates it. It is deeply insulting and an example of the same kinds of rhetoric used to dismiss and invalidate women's own experiences of heathcare needs.

So you support the clinical trial and will fully abide by its findings, will you?

That depends on the details of how it's run, and you can be sure there will be a lot of scrutiny across the world, @ButterflyHatched

No. And stop frantically appropriating women's experiences with healthcare for your own ends. The rest of us understand all the evidence (GIDS, Time to Think, Cass etc) that demonstrate that children who think they're the opposite sex have countless mental health co morbidities including eating disorders, self harm, anxiety along with autistic children being massively over represented in this group.
We're women, many of us are mothers and we all empathise and understand with the hurt and confusion that these children feel while being clear that they need protecting from the extreme transactivists - groups and individuals - in cynically using these children to further to pursue their own selfish demands.

I'll remind you that you are currently replying to someone who was one of those children, sought treatment young, went through the full assessment process and received it, and didn't have any of those comorbidities.

Nevertheless, the comorbidities exist.

@ButterflyHatched aaah yes. The claims of your treatment in your youth again. You never did clarify how you were able to obtain PBs in the UK prior to them first being used here, when, as we've already established, you'd have been at least 27...

Please do your research, thanks.

Feel free to clarify it then @ButterflyHatched or expect people to take everything you claim with a large pinch of salt.

People have done the research, that's how they know what you're saying isn't true.

And I would remind you that you are "performing" on a site full of women with genuine insights and understanding - both as parents and as women - into the needs of children and their right not to be gaslit by self interested adults.

Your fascination with yourself offers nothing of value to these children or their parents. You attempt to emotionally manipulate with endless posts sharing all manner of unasked for details of your life and then wail when women are sceptical or disinterested in your emoting. You dismiss all facts and evidence from Cass, politicians, the NHS and the rest, yet are unable to present any of your own data - despite repeated requests.

You're on a parenting site yet you spend your time attempting to undermine parents, post conspiracy theories about child suicide and deny all the evidence about the harm that's happening to children. Not a good look.

@ButterflyHatched it is precisely because I've done my research that I'm querying your claims.

Already done, but:

It's recently been confirmed that at least some of these deaths were actively excluded from the stats

This is a wicked, egregious falsehood. It's a nasty attempt at emotional blackmail. You should have that post, along with similar ones, withdrawn.

What with that and your exhortations to engage in sex by deception, I wonder whether you have a moral compass.

No, it really isn't. I'm surprised you aren't already aware.