XL bully shot

[louisbalfournice]

Local XL bully shot today. The owner is saying on social media that the dog was harmless but I've seen it go for a a small child before. Why are these dogs 'harmless" until they injure or kill

@bluebalou I think being cleanly shot by a police marksman is humane enough. If there was some kind of a mass cull then I presume a different method would need to be used. However I can't see there being public support for such a thing.
Also we don't have the death penalty in this country and so the punishment you describe will not be applicable to the owners of these dogs (not that I'm defending them in any way).

I fell hard down the rabbit hole. If you look back at the breeding lineage of what are considered "top blood lines", you can see that the fault lies squarely with the breeders-excessive inbreeding-Kimbo, who is probably the most often referred to, was the result of a same litter brother-sister mating; One set of grandparents
Both grandparents have the same grandfather-one great grandfather. The COI of Kimbo has been variously calculated between 30 and 52%, depending which source you are reading. Acceptable COI is <20%.

Several of Kimbo's offspring, particularly when bred with one particular bitch, were reported to suddenly, without warning, launch into human aggression. At least 1 child died and several dogs were pts. Despite this, the breeders repeated the mating.

Blood lines from Kimbo are still being bred from. The breeder has said that owners are causing the aggression by injecting their dogs with steroids.(!)

There is no doubt about it that visually, XLs are impressive, majestic looking creatures; but when a high percentage of XLs in the UK descend from a heavily inbred line known for sudden aggressive traits, these incidents will keep on happening.

If anyone is interested, I read that a similar defect was bred into red cocker spaniels by breeding programmes focused only on developing colour, but many had highly aggressive traits (I think in 80s). Of course cocker spaniels are significantly less deadly.

That's really interesting. Definitely need to eliminate thus breed then in the UK to protect people. The stupid ones that say they are big softies need protection from their own stupidly

@OctoberOctopus you know what though, I actually don't doubt that they are big softies....until they aren't.
And that's where the biggest problem lies - most owners won't admit to that. It's always 'my dog would never'
Would be interesting to see if anyone who owned one of the dogs of any breed that has killed ever thought they would.

There was a lady on a similar thread who rescued one thinking it was all media BS until it almost killer her other dog and she ended up realising that the breed actually was aggressive and had the XL put down. It sounded very scary.

A woman who died due to her own xl bully attacking her posted various comments about XL bullies before she died. Some people need the law to step in because they deny the danger, until they die

https://news.sky.com/story/woman-mauled-to-death-posted-video-of-her-dancing-with-xl-bully-to-song-saying-i-dont-give-a-f-about-the-breed-being-banned-13148665

Utter stupidity. If these people want to take the risk of being killed that's their choice but the problem is their dogs endanger everyone around them, including innocent kids and bystanders.

I think it is a certain type of person who won't listen to all the evidence. There are now numerous deaths due to this breed. It's innocent children, bystanders etc that also need protection from.these vile created beasts.

There are so many stories

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c154ne70kzeo

That tic tok video is awful. The male voice saying he doesn't give a fuck about the ban as the to be victim dances with the dog, and how he feels walking the streets with his xl bully. How does he feel now his 'status symbol ' has killed?

Don’t understand why any would want an xl bully. Like others have said it’s a status thing for many. For those that argue small dogs bite yeah difference is small dog attacks it can be kicked away. These xl bully’s can weigh more than an adult. Very hard to defend yourself. There is evidence that they have aggressive traits no one knows what it could be that would make one of these dogs react and when they do the consequences are usually serious.

@OctoberOctopus
The news report that you linked to mentioned that the owners had an exemption certificate for the dog which caused that particular fatality. The exemption certificate is clearly meaningless!
"I have a certificate of exemption for my face eating leopard"
"but it's still a face eating leopard it's still going to eat your face isn't it"

I suppose this tells us something about human nature, the extent to which humans crave status and recognition. The owners of these dogs are overwhelmingly people of low socioeconomic status and low educational attainment, they lack critical thinking skills as a result. The feeling of power and control that they get from having a threatening animal as a pet blinds them to the danger that it poses 🤷🏻‍♀️

My guess is that he's proud of how strong and dominant his dog is was🤷🏻‍♀️

Or they have a saviour complex and enjoy the ego boost of caring for a dog that most people wouldn't want (makes them feel that they are better than most people).

Some people also think that because harsh treatment can easily ruin a dog's character, animals always give back what they receive from humans and that loving a dog is enough to make it loving and gentle in return. It's a dangerous form of the anthropomorphism of dogs which is much too common these days in general.

They remind me of the guy who tried to domesticate a hippo and said the hippo was 'like a son to him'. The hippo killed him.

Yes I agree with all of what you've said there.
In particular the anthropomorphism. Of course humans are strongly inclined towards anthropomorphism but where there is a lack of critical thinking skills we see an unbridled form of it where people genuinely believe that the dog is equal to a human. This is encouraged by advertising all those cutesy, adverts where the dog is spoken about as if it were a baby or small child. The pet industry does this because they know it increases the amount that humans are willing to spend on their pets.

There is only one type of person who owns these dogs. Sensible, educated, intelligent people would never. This is one of the problems causing the issues.

However, the main problem is the fact that it IS the breed, and anyone denying that is clearly a bit thick. They aren't even a proper breed. They are mutants, SPECIFICALLY bred to attack and kill. They are literal fighting dogs. They've been bred DELIBERATELY to exhibit certain traits. Wide jaw, low centre of gravity, muscular chest, aggressive killer instinct. They are manufactured killing machines and I really cannot understand why people have a problem understanding this.

Add to that the dodgy gene that makes them flip a switch at any moment, and a human being stands no chance.

They should be culled, immediately, and anyone caught with one should be jailed. How many more innocent people have to die?

I found this amazing article from a dog obedience trainer I think it would probably call it anyway he talks about a lot of things you have to remember that these have got pitbull in them which is already a band breed anyway in the UK.
somebody else mentioned about the dog called Kimbo that was genetically bad because it was an inbred dog but here’s an interesting fact up to about three years ago. The xl bullies weren’t as bad as what they are now but this dog person says you can trace back quite a lot of the xl bullies to Kimbo in the UK and he believes that’s what’s caused it. They are all genetically fucked.
https://www.doglistener.co.uk/the-american-xl-bully-dog/

@JubileeJuice In a sense I agree that these animals ought to be culled, but I think there would be a large public outcry a majority of people see dogs as family members.
Recent news reports indicate a change in police response, the animals are euthanized by police marksman as soon as they attack humans or other dogs. I hope that this will act as a deterrent to ownership. Or maybe I'm just kidding myself, the shit-for-brains brigade will arm themselves and there will be gun battles in the streets over these ridiculous horrific creatures.

Good. Hope the vicitm who was bitten is ok. All this it's just bad owners is crap. If a dogs jaws can break bones and teeth can shred flesh like theirs can they should all be done away with and I love dogs, it's cruel to the breed to keep them going and terrifying for the public. To many tragedies already. Awful.

The problem is most dogs (any breed) are not been treated like dogs - which need mental stimulation, exercise, training and boundaries. Most have a history of herding or hunting.

But the moment they become ‘fur babies’ all their actual needs are out of the window and what you are left with is an untrained, bored, emotionally uncontrollable nightmare that is hard to control but ‘is just being friendly’.

XL Bully’s are just an extreme example of shoddy dog ownership but with a history of fighting it makes them far more dangerous.

It does feel like there is a bit of a move away from the 'it's not the breed' thought process. These threads used to be virtually 50/50 with people saying how lovely and misunderstood XLs were, but they certainly are not that now. How anyone can continue to spout it is beyond me, though - sadly, there are all manner of breeds being kept in poor conditions throughout the UK, but it's only one 'type' that are killing so regularly and killing grown adults to boot. Talking about e.g. Jack Russells or Huskies who are on the UK fatality list for killing babies, or people who have died because they got sepsis from a minor bite from a spaniel, is just fudging the issue.

I do wonder whether each of these stories hitting the news makes anyone take their own situation more seriously if they're living with a dog they're not entirely happy with. I hope anyone reading the news takes the strength to act to remove a dog from their home as needed, before they are added to the list.

There will never be an outright cull of these dogs, and yes other breeds will come more strongly in to play as they are phased out (although frankly none of the other breeds would worry me quite so much, as most are 'guarding' breeds who have a thought process to evaluate threats to a higher degree). That doesn't mean that we shouldn't act on the current situation though, and as I bang on there should be zero tolerance - any dog 'of type' who causes any sort of issue should be euthanised.

I also wonder whether housing authorities will start banning them in their properties ...

"It's not the breed" thought process doesn't mean that you think the breed is lovely.

It means that the sorts of owners who are attracted to whatever the notorious breed of the day might be, are the sorts of people who will get the next notorious breed. And they'll have exactly the same disregard for breeding (inbreeding, health, temperament), early environment and proper training/socialisation. The sort of people who think that a potentially aggressive dog is a good thing (there are several reasons for that arising from chaotic lives, as well as misplaced well'ard thinking)

And for as long as you have people who want dogs such as these, then there will be a dangerous dog problem. The predictions of a new and worse dangerous dog after the flawed act banning pitbull-type and a few others, they have come true. XL bullies are essentially larger pitbulls with even more crap breeding (that prizes the most dangerous lines). There will be a next breed/type.

Because it's not the breed - any breed can be replaced by another - it's the people who want them.

Owner sounds like owner was one of the my dog won’t hurt anyone / fur baby brigade.

Always said it starts small on livestock or other pets than escalates rapidly. Really need a zero tolerance approach to dog attacks now.

Woman killed by dog was charged over earlier attack killed by dog was charged over earlier attack www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd9x2qg9e8vo www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd9x2qg9e8vo

@saltysandysea
Thanks for the link, looks as if the landshark in question was warming up with the attack on a dog, and then went for the big prize of killing a human!
I expect Michelle was in awe of her landshark's power & dominance and 100% sure that she as an experienced dog person had it completely under control.

Surely we need a public information campaign to warn people, or something!?

Dog aggression and people aggression are completely different. I've had breeds that would kill sheep/cats/small furries if able to. I've had a breed renowned for dog aggression. None would ever have been aggressive towards a human.

If a dog attacks another animal or dog, it doesn't mean they'll attack a human.