XL bully shot

[louisbalfournice]

Local XL bully shot today. The owner is saying on social media that the dog was harmless but I've seen it go for a a small child before. Why are these dogs 'harmless" until they injure or kill

You said 'tiny terriers'. Of course a Pit Bull Terrier is also a dangerous dog but we're not hearing about them viciously murdering people every week, are we? Every dog attack in the news for the last few years has been an XL Bully. When most people think of 'tiny terriers' we're thinking of Jack Russells, Westies, Yorkshire Terriers, Scotty dogs! Not bloody Pit bulls.

Indeed, and since pit bulls are valued you don't see very many. The idiot owners now gave XL bullies or other similar beasts.

The deaths from dog attacks in the UK on the last 4 years, by breed.

2020
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Staffordshire bull terrier/bull mastiff

2021
Reported in one source as “Large bulldog type”
Reported in another source as American XL Bully
XL Bully.
“Believed to be Staffordshire cross”
“American Bull dogs” (appears to be used to refer to Bully as it is used interchangeably in case 4 in 2022).

2022
American Bully XL
Cane Corso
American Bully XL
American Bully
American Bully XL
Husky
Rottweiler
“Bull dogs”
XL Bully
XL Bully/Cane Corso cross

2023

XL Bully
“American Bulldog” (as above, used interchangeably with Bully in other reports).
Various breeds
Rottweilers
XL Bully
Cane Corso
Unspecified
XL Bullies

2024

XL Bullies
XL Bullies

There's no stand-out thread there at all.

I could go through pre 2020 but a. Bullies only be and popular as a breed in recent years, and b. it's not worth the time or effort given the character of the "audience".

No-one sane on here needs it to be inventoried.

I don't know why we're even engaging with this troll tbh.

And it seemed like 🍷 was involved too.

*Bullies only became popular as a breed ..

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Do you think you would die if a tiny terrier bit you? Genuinely? Do you think a tiny terrier could drag you to the floor and bite your throat out?

I would support a cull for these dogs

in the very least if they are registered where children live

if the parents are that stupid to have these dogs then authorities need to intervene

but we're not hearing about them viciously murdering people every week

And we would be, if people could legally own them. They were responsible for the vast majority of attacks before being banned. They still are in regions where they're not banned.

High level irony in a poster calling other posters on here "eejits".

This.

It's clear it's breed related. Evidence is there. Hence a type of ban. However, ban doesn't go far enough and idiot owners still leave children and others vulnerable to these vile beasts. Unmuzzled in the homes and can escape. That poor 10 year old girl in a caravan with one.

Hopefully sleeping it off and will wake up and realise tiny terriers aren't killing people and it's the XL bullies and similar that are the problem 🙄

I think France has passed one for dogs over a certain weight.

The UK needs to do something urgently, people are essentially walking around with weapons. Weapons they can't control.

An off lead Cane Corso approached me, and not in a friendly way, in the woods recently. It happened to continue when it's owner called it on, but just easily could not have. I also stayed very calm when it approached due to a lot of dog experience - many another person would not have. The owner was a tiny woman who could never - not a hope - control that dog if it attacked etc. it weighed as much or more than her.

I could have had a child with me but happened not to.

This situation is a nation disgrace. The UK is endangering its citizens.

They need to get a similar law to France's, at the very least, now.

Some dogs are inherently more dangerous due to the strength of their jaws. It's not only xl bullies, but they make up the majority of dog fatalities due to the kind of people who want a "macho dog" choosing them to look "hard" and that same subgroup of people not taking dog training, animal husbandry and other aspects of ownership seriously.

I have an ex relative with 2 who are softies, incredibly well trained and I do trust them with adults at least (I bump into them occasionally out) but these are experienced dog owners who train, insure, don't leave unattended etc (why they don't choose a less challenging breed I don't know!)

It would be nice to think that but; that's a lost cause.

Comparing a Staffordshire bull terrier to an XL bulldog is ridiculous. Like comparing a small child to Mike Tyson.
Most people could fight off a Staffie if they had to but no one would stand a chance against an angry/roused XL.
It isn't just bad ownership with these dogs, they are bred and prized for their power and aggression and (as has been seen far too often) they kill.

Oh please! 🤦‍♀️

Then why use the word ‘breed’ which denotes an entire group, instead of ‘dogs’ which could be used to denote individual animals?

What evidence will you accept to show the inherent danger in CL bullies? No one is wasting valuable research time, money or resources on researching these creatures.

You think the media coverage is biased - although you keep conflating attacks and deaths. All dog deaths are covered by the media - and the stats published. So it’s clear that more XLs kill than any other breed - by miles.

Why isn’t that enough for you?

no one is saying only XLs attack and kill, which is what you seem to be arguing against with your mention of aggressive collies and chihuahuas.

But currently only XLs kill in high numbers.

Kill the lot - and ban all dogs of certain characteristics (jaw strength, size, innate aggression) being owned at all. We don’t bull bait or need dogs to protect sheep from wolves anymore so get rid of the lot.

Then why use the word ‘breed’ which denotes an entire group, instead of ‘dogs’ which could be used to denote individual animals?

Exactly

Bullshit central.

You're wasting your time, energy and intelligence.

Sure, but this is idealism.

Of course in an ideal world, all dogs would be trained and socialised properly, their needs met etc etc.

But in the one we have, shit owners neglect them, and some of them react with aggression (fear-based, or genetically baked in, the end result is the same).

So we need to remove the most dangerous dogs from this owners’ hands. That means the ones with clamping jaws, those over a certain weight, those with killer dogs in their lineage. Start with bullies, move on to Corsos and the rest.

It isn’t a choice between well behaved bullies and unsocialised terriers and to make this argument is pointless.

My old collie would herd anything and had never been trained to do so. It was in her genes.

fighting is in XL bullies genes. It’s what they’ve been bred for. There’s a lot of genetic problems with them and most in the U.K. can trace their lines back to a hand full of very aggressive dogs. They seem fine until they turn and when they turn you can’t stop them.

Why anyone would want one as a pet is beyond me.

Thing is, over the years we’ve seen several different dogs demonised. The Doberman, GS, Rottie etc. Breeders will just find another big dog breed- cane corsos are already more and more popular as a result of the more recent ban.
We should be regulating breeders and owners more.
I can’t imagine putting a healthy, well controlled and muzzled XL down if it’s not shown any aggression. I know several xls who are well behaved and not aggressive tbh and get have very experienced owners

I'd say it's because they've fallen out of favour with dickhead owners.

They're already moving on to other breeds, such as the cane corso.

we’ve seen several different dogs demonised

Demonised.

Acknowledging that some breeds are more likely to do serious damage if they become aggressive (and that they may be more more likely to become aggressive due to breeding) is not demonising.

Acknowledging that some breeds are actually unsuited to being pets is not demonising.

Dogs breeds that were bred for fighting are unsuited to being pets, even some dog breeds that were bred for guarding are unsuited to being pets. Away from the issue of aggression; some breeds used as working dogs are also actually unsuited to being pets.

It is deeply unfair on the dogs to be kept as pets in a regular domestic setting. Contrary to demonising them; this is about treating them humanely and correctly.

That photo is madness
Glad it's gone but still there are others