XL bully shot

[louisbalfournice]

Local XL bully shot today. The owner is saying on social media that the dog was harmless but I've seen it go for a a small child before. Why are these dogs 'harmless" until they injure or kill

I agree it's madness and we need new legislation to change the situation

We don't need these weapons and risk in the public

XLs unlike a lot of the other aggressive breeds are seen as a great threat because of poor breeding. All the other dogs, you get a warning sign or you can predict how and what will cause them to turn. XLs, certainly all the attacks that have happened, turn on a dime with no cause and no way to predict. They will attack with tails wagging, which would normally be seen as play - not with them. They can be cuddle and lovable no doubt, but the smallest thing can and will set them off and no one can predict it, that's why experienced dog behavioural therapists and trainers don't believe they're family friendly.

With humans, you can have someone who's special forces with an instinct and training to shoot first ask question later but always with a reason. Or sociopaths with zero rationale or predictability who will attack for some perceive minor wrong. XL Bullies are the sociopath and suffer from bad breeding and unstable wiring. All fighting breeds have the ability to become killing machines in the wrong hands, but XL bullies can be killing machines even in the right ones.

Right, lovely dogs - until they pin your cat down in front of you and try to kill it. Hate bull breeds. And a lot of the stupid twats who own them.

Right, lovely dogs - until they pin your cat down in front of you and try to kill it. Hate bull breeds. And a lot of the stupid twats who own them.

I mean. You could objectively look at a golden retriever, or a St Bernard, or a collie and think cute. Anyone who looks at those XL things and thinks "cute" is just a bit odd.

I love dogs, but even I can't get on board with defending XLs as family pets-they are unpredictable and when they attack it is almost impossible to intervene. I saw a terrible incident of an XL attacking a spaniel, it was recorded & shared on FB I think and it was horrifying-the XL owner had zero control whatsoever.

It isn't the dogs' fault-that would be humans being shit and developing characteristics for the sole purpose of illegal "fight to the death" dog fighting rings; but the solution isn't to say "aww but they look so cute, they aren't all the same". The truth is by characteristic, they ARE all the same, they all have the strength, propensity, temperament and ability to attack to kill. Whilst ANY dog can bite (and anyone who thinks otherwise is ridiculous); any dog that meets the criteria above is simply not safe as a pet. Regardless of whether, but especially if, there are children in the household.

Trying to reason with those who are apologists for pitbull type dogs = casting pearls before swine.

This was back 37 years ago you could get a rescue dog from the dogs home it was given to them for a reason. I don't know what the poor dog had been through but it hated to see me give affection to anyone else which was scary. Thankfully now any dogs home will check to see how the dog interacts with anyone with children.

The breed of the dog is immaterial-there should be zero tolerance to any dog which attacks people, livestock, other pets. XL bully dogs gets the attention as they kill people, Labradors are actually the most common dog bite (popular breed). By zero I mean destroyed.

people should be able to go outside and not have to worry about being bitten, growled at, barked at, jumped on, licked etc by other peoples dogs or have their own pets ripped to shreds by a dog.

• The Xl bully, however, was bred to have a more even better temperament than it's ancestors, the American bully. Bred as a companion dog, not for fighting at all. But the XL are bred for size (Americans do seem to have a thing about size) . It is the British owners that have done this.

I see people say this a lot about various bull breeds. "They were bred as companion dogs not fighting dogs". But what i don't understand is, WHY would any breeder who genuinely wanted to "create" a new breed of companion dog, WHY would they choose one of the main crosses to be a dog originally bred for fighting like a pitbull? Why create so much hard work for yourself, and create so many unknowns etc when you could have chosen a dog that was NOT originally bred for fighting and aggression in the first place??
ANY dog that has "bull" in it's name is descended from bull baiting dogs. Now how aggressive or otherwise these dogs are depends on many things. So no, not all of them will be aggressive or attack. But the fact remains, why would anyone want to choose any dog that was originally bred for fighting and try and make it a family companion pet. The XL bully breed was created using pitbulls. A pitbull which they crossed with various other bulldogs or big muscular dogs. But the starting point was a pitbull. There's a reason putbulls are banned in many countries and cause large issues in the USA. So an XL bully is pretty much just a bigger pitbull.

It would be like someone thinking they want to create a dog breed that would never chase small animals. And they decide the first breed they'll use to cross with is a whippet. So why someone thought to create a companion dog and start with a pitbull is baffling.

Inbred dogs owned by inbred people

looks like a sweet pupster

Are we looking at the same image?

@RevolvingSpace You're absolutely right, it's a load of bollocks. There has been a lot of rewriting history and myths around the origins and development of these breeds. It's propaganda to make them seem like legitimate choices for pet dogs.

This suits the people who are breeding them, who are absolutely breeding them to be aggressive and game, whether they are drug dealers etc who want dogs to intimidate people in the streets or straight up dog fighters. There is still plenty of illegal dog fighting going on.

No 'bulldog' or 'bull terrier' breed was created as a companion. Some have had their working ability sufficiently watered down in show lines to be reasonable pets in most cases. Some definitely haven't!

Personally I think most of them are sketchy at best, though some like English Bulldogs have been so physically deformed by show breeding that they shouldn't exist for completely different reasons.

Maybe all the people defending them and solely blaming the owners should read up on Killer Kimbo. Around half of the XL bullies in the UK are related to Kimbo. They are 1% of the UK's dog population, but are responsible for almost half of the dog attacks. Decades of inbreeding have resulted in a very aggressive and dangerous breed.

Wonder if it had all its paperwork and insurances etc and that prosecution will follow if not.

https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/emergency-incident/hillsborough-police-incident-xl-bully-dog-shot-dead-by-police-after-woman-bitten-in-sheffield-street-4900043

Is this the same incident?

Why was it outside unmuzzled. It bit someone and idiot owner and neighbours saying it was a lovely dog... obviously not.

I knew it was only a matter of time before something like this happened.

I know this is deflecting from the post, but i was cornered and bit by our pet poodle 'Pepi' when i was 13 back in the 70s.

I've never trusted a dog since, and it amazes me that people want to have XL bully types around their children. It's like waiting for an accident to happen.

So sad, shoot the owners who abuse and breed these animals !

Yes! Always the fault of stupid chavvy humans.

Some very sick people on this thread though.

I also feel that, and again probably idealism, that it would be much harder to purchase any dog. There should be stricter guidelines to having a dog, somehow enforced training classes (if you can't prove you are attending puppy training sessions you shouldn't be owning a dog).

I agree, and think that undertaking some kind of training should be compulsory, unless you can show equivalence.

I fully agree that dog ownership should be much more tightly regulated, training should be compulsory etc.
One problem is that anything which acts as a barrier to owning a pet will hurt the profits of the pet industry and they will push back hard in order to preserve their profits. The more pets people have & the more those pets are treated as equal to or above humans the more money is spent on them. Vets, purveyors of pets and pet accessories are all rubbing their hands and will not want to lose any profit.

Whatever the rights and wrongs of this specific incident, the police were obviously going to be twitchy as a man had just been killed by a dog that had been involved in an incident a few days before.

Those who must keep these dogs have to accept that there will (and indeed should!) be absolute zero tolerance. If they are outside, unmuzzled, or otherwise out of control, they have every chance of being shot, or seized and euthanised. If they love the damn thing so much, they should look after it better.

Looks like the fatality being reported today was another idiot owner killed by their own dog, like last week's. At least they chose to put themselves at risk, can't complain at the consequences.

Euthanize ALL XL bullys

The dog owner is VERY vocal about this on FB and there is some sort of memorial planned for the weekend reading their posts, the dog escaped through the front door and got out the front. Someone must have reported it, and Police were on scene fairly quickly - armed response was sent. The dog must have been out for some time is all I can imagine and obviously was behaving in a way that made the Police not want to approach it and it wasn't muzzled. The owner is also claiming that the dog was taken away by Police/Social Services and returned prior to the incident. So I think that there is an awful lot more to the story than is being told.

I would feel huge sympathy for the owner under normal circumstances but not with this breed. At least her kids are now safe.