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Daily mail article, integration has failed in Germany. Aibu to agree with article?

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Mimififi · 31/07/2024 12:00

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13687565/Children-radicalised-mosques-11-knives-crime-verdict-German-child-refugee-charity-integration-failed-asylum-seekers.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=

Aibu to agree to an extent?

German refugee charity warns 'integration has FAILED'

In a bombshell interview, staff at a leading youth organisation in Germany have said the continuing influx of refugees means the system is at breaking point. They called for a 'freeze' in admissions.

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suburburban · 31/07/2024 20:59

What about places like Pakistan or Turkey. It can be very difficult to be a Christian in some places

Dylanesque · 31/07/2024 21:01

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Irish newspapers usually report where someone is from in crime stories. That applies to locals too. e.g. A Kerry man, a Galway man, etc. I moved here a few years ago from the UK. The increase in rapes was also reported by the Rape Crisis centre, but there is no breakdown on the ethnicity of the perps. You have to trawl through individual crime reports for that.

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Mimififi · 31/07/2024 21:03

Piggywaspushed · 31/07/2024 20:54

Was his crime known to be related to his ethnicity? Just wondering what I blame for Hungerford, say, or Dunblane. Or what about the mass killings in Norway? He was definitely born and bred You ignored me the first time so I asked again, both times before your screenshot. I wish I had not asked for clarification now.

Right, no more. Please respectfully leave me alone as this is very aggressive.

Some people keep saying the left shouldn't be name calling. I have not name called anyone. Just held some to account or asked questions.

Very aggressive? You accused me of incorrectly insinuated that I "suggested the man in Ireland stabbed the schoolchildren because he was Algerian"?

I replied to your question which you asked me twice that I had no idea why!
I have held you to account right through this, you said I insinuated it was BECAUSE he was Algerian. The media for God sake reported the same, I referred to him once as the Algerian man.

Don't play the victim here as it was you who accused of insinuating the man carried out the attack BECAUSE he was Algerian. Don't be obtuse. I've felt very shaken by your accusation.

Daily mail article, integration has failed in Germany. Aibu to agree with article?

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EasternStandard · 31/07/2024 21:04

Lalalalalaaaa · 31/07/2024 20:20

The issue isn't the OP's use of the word Algerian in the sentence. It's her trying to argue that it was just a throw away descriptor and she didn't mean anything by it. In particular that posters saying that she was implying that the attacker being Algerian was a factor in the attack. If it wasn't relevant that the attacker was Algerian the OP wouldn't have mentioned it and then said he hadn't integrated.

Separately, it obviously is relevant given the entire discussion is around immigration failing and leading to crime and other issues. The Dublin example is a pretty pointless one unless it's being used to illustrate those concerns.

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Posters seem to have accused the op of using Algerian to imply all people of that nationality are similar or it was due to him being Algerian

They aren’t correct as she didn’t say that

If she had I’m sure it would have been reported

HowardTJMoon · 31/07/2024 21:05

Mimififi · 31/07/2024 20:55

No I have no idea, sorry maybe an Irish mumsnetter will be able to provide more insight. I just shared a link.

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OK. So you started a thread about how you agree with a Mail article about the failure of immigrants into Germany to "integrate" into the German society. And you then throw up a scary statistic about rape in Ireland for no apparent reason.

Yeah, I see you.

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Mimififi · 31/07/2024 21:06

Mimififi · 31/07/2024 16:17

I have no idea what his motives were for stabbing those poor little children coming home from school.

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@Piggywaspushed this is what I replied to you in response to your questions. I said I had no idea of his motives.
Yet you stated that I insinuated the man stabbed the schoolchildren because he was Algerian when I did nothing of the sort.

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79Helene · 31/07/2024 21:09

Blackcats7 · 31/07/2024 20:32

I would call myself left wing. Life long labour voter. Detest racism. Think people fleeing genuine terror need our help.
However I think the assumptions and name calling if anybody mentions immigration are not helpful and actually fuel racism in previously more moderate people.
The OP is right that #no debate is not a useful stance.
We need to talk about this important issue with balance and respect or things will never improve for anybody including immigrants.
Compromise is not a dirty word. Changes need to be made to the current situation so that our country holds together. Instead we are becoming increasingly polarised and low life like Farage take advantage of this. Some of his supporters are indeed life long racists but some are not. Coming together would pull the rug from under actual far right groups. Carrying on labelling anyone who disagrees as a bigot will play right into their hands. Is this actually what we want?
Extremism whether left or right or indeed on any issue is always dangerous.

Couldn't agree more. The polarisation and 'my side is always right' approach prevents any kind of meaningful discussion.

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ImaniMumsnet · 31/07/2024 21:15

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