Daily mail article, integration has failed in Germany. Aibu to agree with article?

[Mimififi]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13687565/Children-radicalised-mosques-11-knives-crime-verdict-German-child-refugee-charity-integration-failed-asylum-seekers.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=

Aibu to agree to an extent?

When can Algerian be used in a sentence, I mean it’s not like we use man and women for everything we do actually use language that is specific

I don’t see the sentence used by the op as problematic, if it were I’m sure someone would have reported it and mnhq delete it.

Maybe it was just an example of lack of integration. It is very important for anyone to integrate.
We all have to do it whether it’s integration in a new school, workplace or country.
The majority do integrate but we do of course have those who haven’t and it’s those that refuse to that most people feel hostile towards. Doesn’t matter what country it is or where you’re from.

The issue isn't the OP's use of the word Algerian in the sentence. It's her trying to argue that it was just a throw away descriptor and she didn't mean anything by it. In particular that posters saying that she was implying that the attacker being Algerian was a factor in the attack. If it wasn't relevant that the attacker was Algerian the OP wouldn't have mentioned it and then said he hadn't integrated.

Separately, it obviously is relevant given the entire discussion is around immigration failing and leading to crime and other issues. The Dublin example is a pretty pointless one unless it's being used to illustrate those concerns.

You said the word you used is "ethnicity". Here is a screenshot of why exactly you said. I don't see "ethnicity" in here. What you said is the op suggested "BECAUSE" he is Algerian. You posted this at 16.37. It's there in black & white. Where did you say "ethnicity"?
screenshot of @Piggywaspushed post from 16.37 attached

Was this like Tony Blair's open door policy that lead to Brexit?

Regardless of the ethical framework and conduct of the research, about which I know little, as long at the statistical fact gathering was not selective, and all the facts were included, proven and published, then the conclusion is admissable. .

There was an interesting section on Woman's Hour today about the convicted Dutch child rape competitor and whether he should have been allowed to compete at all. Netherlands law on rape has sentences from 21 days up to years, depending on the circumstances surrounding the offence. I knew nothing about the background to the case, and didn't hear all of it, so not volunteering an opinion but the female boxers expected to fight Taiwanese trans men boxers left me feeling that there's not a fair playing field.

I would call myself left wing. Life long labour voter. Detest racism. Think people fleeing genuine terror need our help.
However I think the assumptions and name calling if anybody mentions immigration are not helpful and actually fuel racism in previously more moderate people.
The OP is right that #no debate is not a useful stance.
We need to talk about this important issue with balance and respect or things will never improve for anybody including immigrants.
Compromise is not a dirty word. Changes need to be made to the current situation so that our country holds together. Instead we are becoming increasingly polarised and low life like Farage take advantage of this. Some of his supporters are indeed life long racists but some are not. Coming together would pull the rug from under actual far right groups. Carrying on labelling anyone who disagrees as a bigot will play right into their hands. Is this actually what we want?
Extremism whether left or right or indeed on any issue is always dangerous.

@RomanticOutlaws how ignorant, immature & uneducated of you. The likes of you led to Brexit incapable of mature discussion about the

importance of integration. 65% on this thread have agreed I am not being unreasonable raising discussion. Lots of misinformation from the lefty lot & the usual slurs of racism from the ignorant like yourself as is to be expected but you will not quash debate.

100%, I was horrified to hear he was allowed compete. Was hoping his teammates & other competitors would boycott but no...

What do you think is the cause for Ireland's high level of rapes and sexual assaults? Bearing in mind you posted this in the context of a thread about integration?

Agree 100%. This name calling and shaming of anyone with a differing point of view, is entirely fruitless and fuels right wing ideology. how can we have a sensible, respectful debate in society when it's impossible to do so even on mn??

I'm not clear that is correct. Romani aren't Romanian.

Absolutely, I have wonderful friends and colleagues from a variety of backgrounds, and my husbands family are immigrants (although he was born here), and I see the huge value many of them bring. My workplace is the better for being diverse, we serve a diverse commuinity, so having a variety of backgrounds amongst my colleagues helps us to understand people's needs and choices, but respect goes both ways.

We have a member of staff who is homosexual, and he received a torrent of abuse from a patient, who asked him 'what did you do this weekend' my colleague replied 'my boyfriend and I went to our friends wedding'. He was aggressive and rude and demanded to have a 'non sinful' health care professional for his son. He implied that his child was at risk from the 'dirty man'. I had to take over this child's care, it was such a struggle not to give him a piece of my mind.

I expect to show tolerance and respect, but I also expect to receive it.

I have no clue. I was interested in stats surrounding which EU country had the worse stats as I presumed it was Sweden but that article came up. I found it shocking especially considering what a small island Ireland is. I genuinely don't know why, maybe an Irish mumsnetter can provide more insight

@Mimififi So you have no reason to believe it's anything to do with integration or not?

OK, having read some links provided I see now that there was Romanian nationality. Rioters still were from many backgrounds. It was a tinderbox.

@Mimififi It's fascinating to see how certain posters are trying to bait you. They have no intention of proper discussion. Me, I'd ignore them

@Piggywaspushed can you please show me where you used the word ethnicity in your reply to me at 16.37 in which you claim I "suggested the man in Dublin stabbed schoolchildren because he was Algerian"
I did no such thing & I am very alarmed at your accusation.
Screenshot of your post from 16.37 attached.
Also your post above says you used the word ethnicity. Where is that?

Was his crime known to be related to his ethnicity? Just wondering what I blame for Hungerford, say, or Dunblane. Or what about the mass killings in Norway? He was definitely born and bred You ignored me the first time so I asked again, both times before your screenshot. I wish I had not asked for clarification now.

Right, no more. Please respectfully leave me alone as this is very aggressive.

Some people keep saying the left shouldn't be name calling. I have not name called anyone. Just held some to account or asked questions.

No I have no idea, sorry maybe an Irish mumsnetter will be able to provide more insight. I just shared a link.

OP, you have been deleted once for this , in case you didn't notice.

Apart from Saudi Arabia where there literally no Christian churches, I can't think of other places where you're "not allowed" to be Christian? Do you mean France, for example where you can't wear a crucifix in public?

Most people who emigrate to this country come from countries where there ARE Christians, albeit as a minority group.

However, you could also argue that the UK isn't really a Christian country anymore anyway as most people appear to be pretty secular/athiest/agnostic. When I drive past church on Sunday mornings, I only see either old people or ironically, people who are not white and have accents which suggest they're not originally from here anyway... The none - white population (in my area, at least) seems to be more observant of Christianity...So your religion argument doesn't really hold up...

https://news.leeds.gov.uk/news/joint-statement-on-behalf-of-leeds-city-council-and-the-romanian-and-roma-community

Not all Romani are Romanian. Some are. And not all Romanians are immigrants. Some are.

In this case the child was definitely Roma and Romanian. She may also have been second/third generation British for all I know.

The fact that the child was Romanian and that some Romanian citizens were arrested doesn't mean the riot was Romanian led either, it was the local community reacting to a situation and it's also clear from the photos Romanians/Romas weren't the only ones participating in the riots (although I think the only person charged was Romanian). But there are understandably concerns about institutional racism towards the Roma community in particular and it's right that that is investigated.

Nothing excuses rioting.