Daily mail article, integration has failed in Germany. Aibu to agree with article?

[Mimififi]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13687565/Children-radicalised-mosques-11-knives-crime-verdict-German-child-refugee-charity-integration-failed-asylum-seekers.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=

Aibu to agree to an extent?

I thought the point of your thread was to discuss about Germany not to be Islamophobic.

What has the education system failing got to do with integration? struggling to find a link.

Angela Merkels open door immigration policy.
Did anyone ask the Germans if they wanted this?

If I moved to many countries
What countries?

No idea, but they kept on voting for her so can't have disagreed that much

No not quite, she is still struggling with the language, she is nearly fluent but not quite. It took a while to find a social network as her dc attend a German state school not one of the International schools in Munich. It was a big change for her but she has done her best to adapt.

My DS is just back from a month working all over Germany. He was surprised at the level of open hard drug use in the street in particularly Frankfurt and Essen and how it seemed to be accepted. He's spent his whole life in major UK cities and is pretty streetwise but was still shocked at that and noticeable poverty.
Also seriously unimpressed with Deutsche Bahn.
Evidently all isn't rosy, sadly.

Google is your friend here! Christians are persecuted in many countries, educate yourself!

Immigration isn’t a two way process if it was people wouldn’t bother moving. People generally move to places that give them safety, security and prosperity.

Of course you wouldn’t move somewhere that Christians are being persecuted but we aren’t discussing that. Please feel free to come over to the Conflict in the Middle East board to discuss the persecution of Christian Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank.

You said integration brings so much to countries. I replied yes if it works BOTH WAYS.
Never once did I mention Islam.

The poster was just politely asking what countries you have in your sights to emigrate to where you feel you may be persecuted.

Well, we have to keep posting our disgust at this sort of shit, otherwise the far right racists will simply be allowed to take over the site entirely. So I will keep commenting, but I'm not going to waste time and energy on engaging with people who are beyond the reach of rational argument, and I'm not going to add the advertising revenue of racist rags like the Daily Mail by clicking on your deliberately provocative links.

The far right showed us yet again last night in Southport who and what they are, showing utter contempt for the bereaved parents and for a community in shock. Forgive me if my patience for this shit is limited.

But OP, you don't live in Germany, you only get second hand moaning from your family. I live in Germany, why don't you ask me my opinion?

To quote the poster above your @TakeMe2Insanity

"Immigration isn’t a two way process if it was people wouldn’t bother moving. People generally move to places that give them safety, security and prosperity."

I may go and have a look at the Conflict in the Middle East board the poster has highlighted in their post.

This is exactly my point. I have been to Germany many times & as I said my cousin is married there. It has changed dramatically in the past 6 years. My last visit to Munich was in the Feb half term, I was shocked at the visible amount of homeless, especially elderly homeless

Are you happy with the education system & the slip in the PISA charts?

I'll start as the OP probably won't.

Where are you in Germany?

How do you find the trains?

MN is very polarised on these kinds of issues.

Welcome to mumsnet @Mimififi !

Out of interest were you out on the streets in Southport last night, wearing a balaclava and lobbing bricks at police officers?

Thanks for posting this interesting article OP! Food for thought.

I beat you to it there! A bit presumtious of you making a silly statement like that🤔

No, sorry to disappoint you, not my style.

I think we should be able to debate these issues like adults without shutting down the debate altogether with cries of ‘racism’ etc.

I support immigration and see it as a social good overall, but I think managing it carefully with better integration, more community-based assistance for migrants could help to mitigate some of the issues that Germany, the U.K. and France are currently facing.

I’m not sure what the answer is - but I don’t think its helpful to condemn people, call them insulting names or accusing them of racism for asking these questions.

I thought Christianity was supposed to be all about love and compassion, OP. Did you not get the memo?

I know some wonderful, incredible compassionate Christians that have dedicated their lives to helping people of all faiths and none, who are fleeing from war, persecution and other desperate circumstances. I don't share their views but I am in awe of their work and have enormous respect and admiration for them.

But people who wear the badge without bothering to walk the walk? I can't see the point.

I agree with you @Mimififi but you won't get anywhere on here. The racist comments will flood in. Hence why this country is in the mess it's in because there can never be a proper discussion on the problems of mass illegal immigration.