Daily mail article, integration has failed in Germany. Aibu to agree with article?

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13687565/Children-radicalised-mosques-11-knives-crime-verdict-German-child-refugee-charity-integration-failed-asylum-seekers.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=

Aibu to agree to an extent?

Sorry dgps

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/swedish-pm-says-integration-immigrants-has-failed-fueled-gang-crime-2022-04-28/

Sweden.

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact-check/no-evidence-migration-caused-exaggerated-2013-swedish-rape-statistics-idUSL1N37S2AU/

Also Sweden

Excellent so probably not a failure to integrate then and no longer necessarily his Algerianness. But not mental illness because that was a 'card'.

Got it.

That is specifically referring to rapes & that is really positive that there has been no increase despite falsified statistics initially suggesting otherwise.
However Sweden's Prime Minister has admitted integration has failed there specifically referring to knife & gang culture.

Three Swedish academics researching this analysis of rapes and sexual assaults accidentally stumbled on some shocking data about migrant status. They were subsequently prosecuted for publishing it.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8330751/

https://www.gisreportsonline.com/r/sweden-immigrants-crisis/

@MrsBennetsPoorNerves

I got literally three paragraphs into your article there before realising it was bollocks. Perpetuating the myth of the Swedish no-go zone is really not a good look if you are trying to make a valid point about Sweden.

Link to the info about them being prosecuted for publishing it?

This is it. This is why we need to be able to speak honestly and openly about what is happening without being called racist.
I’ve had similar experiences, yet also have some amazing friends from a number of different backgrounds and religions who would be appalled at these types of behaviour.
I’m from an immigrant background. I have light brown skin, so not ‘white’.
We need to be able to talk about religious fundamentalism, especially within Islam, which is a growing faith/culture here, and how it clashes with UK culture of sexual equality and acceptance of LGBTQ+. That’s not racist - it’s people wanting to ensure UK laws and culture is respected while welcoming people of different cultures here.

Can you clarify if this is an apology for you accusing me of saying the man committed the stabbings BECAUSE of his nationality.
I'm not letting this go by the way until you retract his His was mentioned mental health in a prior post but not by me. I replied "mental health card". Nice. In response to the poster who pulled the man's mental health into the discussion when it was irrelevant just like you who brought religion in when it was never mentioned.

I wasn’t sure what this was so googled and it has been picked up by many

Could you link to something about the prosecution? seems strange but maybe I’m missing a factor

That would involve mature open minded debate which is impossible on mumsnet as a certain cohort are only capable of throwing out "bigot" "far right" & "racist" slurs at concerned posters.

https://portal.research.lu.se/en/activities/swedish-researchers-face-prosecution-for-study-about-immigrants-p

https://rmx.news/article/swedish-scientists-prosecuted-for-finding-that-most-rapes-are-committed-by-immigrants/

https://www.opindia.com/2021/11/sweden-lund-university-researcher-faces-prosecution-for-study-post-rapes-committed-by-immigrants/

There are others. It was reported quite widely.

See my previous post. I don't think it's particularly strange. Inconvenient truths and all that. One of the authors of the paper was themselves an immigrant.

This is misleading. They were prosecuted on suspicion of not having the correct ethical approval for the study. They were not prosecuted for the content per se.

Wow, that made an interesting read. I didn't know this. Thank you for sharing

Splitting hairs much? Why don't you address the substance of their findings? They didn't even set out to investigate this issue, it just emerged loud and clear in their data.

I have never mentioned religion. Not once. Unless Algerian is a religion.
Feel free to check back.
I have nothing to apologise for.

Again, just to point out that these links are misleading, the researchers were not prosecuted for the content of their article. They were prosecuted in relation to lack of ethics approval for the research.

Just out of interest why would ethical approval be needed? And going as far as prosecuting?
Surely it's for the greater good to get as much statistical information as possible surrounding heinous crimes such as rape ?

It’s not splitting hairs. It’s explaining what they were actually prosecuted for, so that people know. And the fact that they didn’t set out to investigate it but did so anyway without, it was suspected, the correct ethical approval, is the problem.

What do you think of the content?

Ethical approval is needed by law for research involving humans and / or involving sensitive data, including ethnicity. If someone wants to research the issue, they have the freedom to do so provided they have the correct ethical approval.

I will check back. You blatently posted on mumsnet that I said the man in Dublin committee the stabbings BECAUSE he is Algerian.
I'm not letting this go by the way.
I stated his nationality as a it's fact.