Daily mail article, integration has failed in Germany. Aibu to agree with article?

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13687565/Children-radicalised-mosques-11-knives-crime-verdict-German-child-refugee-charity-integration-failed-asylum-seekers.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=

Aibu to agree to an extent?

Yes, and as the articles explained, they didn't seek out ethics approval because they didn't set out to discover what they did. But I note that you are sidestepping the very inconvenient results of their study, and just trying to smear the articles reporting what happened.

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I think it’s quite depressing that the charity said that girls over 13 weren’t allowed to attend their sessions. That is a problem, if you are going to invite people into your country the women and girls need to be given the same access to opportunity as any other citizen of their country. You really do need to demand it on their behalf.

Would approval for that kind of study ever be given?

They might not want to redo but wondering what’s possible

I agree with the conclusions of the researchers, when they say:

“However, results should be interpreted with caution and avoid statements on causality as such statements could be misinterpreted and misused, particularly if contextual factors, such as socioeconomic status, marital status, psychiatric disorders and lack of integration are not taken into account. Lack of integration often includes poor language skills and being unemployed. There may also be other factors associated with our findings that have not been explored. For example, possible bias against immigrants at the policing and prosecution level is a factor that cannot be ignored.“

What do you think of the content?

I apologise @Piggywaspushed you are 100% correct. It was @Saschka who accused me of mentioning a religion which I never did it was a nationality (big difference!)
& it was you who said I implied the man committed the stabbings BECAUSE he was Algerian which I most certainly did not.

It would be given if the criteria were met, and the research questions were valid according to research principles, and if the correct measures were put into place to mitigate potential harm to interview / research persons. It wouldn’t be dismissed out of hand, that’s for sure. But there are strict criteria and any study would have to meet them.

Are you reading my posts? You can’t publish something for which you don’t have ethical approval, no matter what you find!

You're probably right, given the political climate this kind of study would never get approval in the first place. That in itself is shocking, and tantamount to the suppression of truth in service to an ideology. Orwell wouldn't be surprised.

But none of that negates the reality of what they discovered.

I followed other links from the Swedish researchers story and it's shocking how much Germany is spending on supporting their mass immigration. I fail to understand how immigrants on welfare benefits bring improvements to any country
https://rmx.news/trending/nearly-1-in-20-of-all-syrians-now-lives-in-germany-over-half-receive-welfare/

But what exactly is unethical about unearthing information that could potentially prevent even 1 rape? Surely it's for the greater good?

My first thought was I don’t often see this stark conclusion in a study that has seemingly been picked up widely. From the report

Key points

• Rape, aggravated rape, attempted rape or attempted aggravated rape (rape+) are increasing in Sweden.
• The majority of those convicted of rape+ are immigrants.

What I think overall takes multiple voices and studies which I wouldn’t say I have. But I would welcome more analysis

I am reading your posts, but I don't accept your own ethical framework. You seem to be hiding behind procedure. Are you suggesting that the truth shouldn't be investigated? Or that they shouldn't have disclosed what they found?

Why do you keep refusing to address the results of their study?

It is against research ethics, these are procedures researchers have to follow. What they found may well have application (although they themselves acknowledge the limitations of the study and warn against assuming causality), but my point is that they were not being prosecuted for the content of their study, it was because it was suspected they didn’t have ethical approval. They could seek it for a future study, and do the research if it passes.

Looks like the Germans are trying to get an agreement with Syria and Afghanistan to take back criminals. Clearly they think theres a problem.

I’m fine with that tbh, people who want to live in peace and get on with their lives and give their children a decent future should be embraced. If you move somewhere that provides you asylum and then proceed to commit crimes off you fuck.

Do you understand research ethics? That isn't the poster's ethical framework!

I literally addressed the results in several posts now. I’m not suggesting anything, and the ethical framework you refer to is not mine, it is that of the Swedish government / lawmakers.

I don't care about research ethics. I care about what their study clearly showed. My personal ethics are inconvenient truths should be given plenty of sunlight and scrutiny.

You may not care about research ethics. That’s up to you. But if you are a researcher in Sweden, you are obliged to follow them. It’s not a big deal, and I promise you it’s not the big government censorship operation you appear to think it is.

This is more the disclaimers to the results though

Is that because the key points are not welcome?

No, I don’t think it’s because the results wouldn’t be welcome. I think it’s fairly standard practice to point out the limitations of any study, especially nowadays with social media. It stops things being deliberately misinterpreted or twisted.

Yes but it’s the section you copied rather than the key points.

People seem to be skirting around what the study actually says

FWIW This is the exchange about the Algerian in Dublin

OP
From what I hear Ireland is no better now. Mass discontent with government & huge riots last year in the capital after multiple children were stabbed.

Me
Yes incited by the far right and misinformation. We have a far right problem not an integration problem

OP
Interesting take @Dulra . The Algerian man who stabbed the chilren & carers had been in Ireland 20 years & does this. I don't think he integrated too well somehow.

OP was the only person to mention the attempted murderers nationality and to claim he didn't integrate well. As they say if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck you can be pretty sure it is a duck.

hmm .. interesting read around the history of this website this poster has quoted from

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I’m personally not giving any further comment on the content because a) I haven’t had time to read it in full, only skim it, and b) I am sceptical about it due to the ethical concerns (although they did actually get acquitted because they couldn’t prove criminal intent behind the lack of ethics approval, but still)