Daily mail article, integration has failed in Germany. Aibu to agree with article?

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13687565/Children-radicalised-mosques-11-knives-crime-verdict-German-child-refugee-charity-integration-failed-asylum-seekers.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=

Aibu to agree to an extent?

Agreed. They're quite proud of it seemingly.

I was asked for a list & I provided it!

Where is your apology for misquoting me? You blatently reworded what I said.

I asked for a list of countries where Christianity is legally banned and expats forcibly converted, which you claimed would happen if you moved to “many countries”. You have given me a list of Catholic countries where the population are, and I quote, “at risk of organised crime”.

So, I’m still waiting for my list of countries where Christian worship is banned.

Different forms of christianity exist - it's quite possible that one form might be selectively persecuted or accepted.

Thank you, I can see 64% can see I am not being unreasonable which is positive!

If you read her link, that is not what the list refers to. It’s drug crime.

Surely Christianity is all about love and respect for fellow human beings, wherever they were born. Borders are ultimately social constructions used to control people. I have no more right to the land of Britain or Germany than someone who happened to be born in Rwanda.
We are simply 'lucky' enough to have been born in a wealthy country and not a country ravaged by civil war which came about after years of colonial rule.

Why are we even off on this tangent exactly?

The Daily Mail? And you are agreeing with something that rag spits out?

YABU.

Exactly Christianity isn't just made up of catholics & protestants like many of the uneducated on here seem to think!

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If I apologise, will you answer my other questions?

I apologise if I ‘blatently reworded’ what you said. (I didn’t)

I do apologise for blatantly rewording what you said on this one though, however I had to as quoting you directly was playing havoc with my autocorrect.

Well a list was asked for & I provided a list of 50 even through the op should have the intelligence to be able to use Google if capable of posting on mumsnet!

Immigration has not failed. In some aspects it has been great.

There are lots of people from different cultures and countries who have moved here and contributed massively. They don’t get enough credit. I feel desperately sorry for them.

However, there are also a large number of people who have moved to the UK and cherry pick the bits they want, and leave the rest. They live in enclaves, they don’t learn the language, and instead of adopting the values and freedoms we have here, they import very serious misogyny and other behaviours that are like water to oil for our society.

There are also very serious issues with the offspring of immigrants here who often feel disaffected.

I lived overseas and my 2 DC were born in 2 countries with a very different culture to us. I left because I could see issues in the future.

So, no immigration hasn’t failed. It’s a good thing.

Let’s all stop pussy footing around though and avoiding eye contact and have the courage to say that allowing masses of people into our country whose values and culture are incompatible with western values has caused chaos.

They are just biting the hands that feed them . Germany is Germany .

I wasn't directing it at you, I agree pp could simply use google.

But is it as absolute as it is or isn't working? Some immigrants come to this (or any) country bringing skills and knowledge and are massively valuable.

My NHS team is 16 is made up of 3 British, 1 Greek, 2 Malaysian, 1 Portuguese, 4 Indian, 2 Sri Lankan, 2 South African and 1 Australian. Covering all 5 major religions. 13 out of 16 not born here. Without these immigrants my team would be completely stuffed, and the local commuinity would be worse off. They have all integrated, working and contributing.

Where integration doesn't work is often where there is a language barrier, it's really hard to integrate if you cannot communicate. There are language classes available, but there are often barriers to women in particular attending these, due to lack of available childcare, traditional expectations placed on them by their communities to stay home and care for the house and children and that they don't need to learn the language of the place they are living to do this. There are so many cases of domestic violence we have come across but can't do anything as the women won't disclose to us via an interpreter as they think that interpreter will take that information back to their commuinity and put them at greater risk. We so often suspect but cannot do anything to help due to the commuinication barriers, which is terrible for both the women and children involved.

It blows my mind that people can live in a country for 20 years and not be able to communicate in the language of that country. IMHO the focus should be on developing language, even if it has to be made compulsory. If it was a legal obligation, then women would have to be allowed to attend, childcare would have to be provided, and women could then get jobs and provide for their families and work their way out of poverty, acheive greater independence etc.

Well technically it's Deutschland but hey ho.

I think comments like these are very unhelpful

Because OP is using the “Christians are the real victims” dogwhistle, and it is simply not true.

OK, apology accepted. Just to reiterate I said
"my cousin is doing her best to adapt" not
"others are not doing their best to adapt"... Pretty blatent if you ask me!
Words matter.

As is often the way, the first post nails it.

The Daily Mail knows exactly what it’s doing and it is despicable.

And yet despite your superior googling skills, you were only able to find a list of places where Catholics were at risk of drug crime. Perhaps this list is difficult to locate because expat Christians aren’t actually at particularly high risk of persecution anywhere?

(I also don’t see why OP thinks this is a “gotcha” for problems with refugees integrating, but since she does, I’m going to refute it).

No I merely pointed out immigration & integration works both ways. As a Christian I should be able to practice my religion freely & safely in any of the countries listed on the list I linked.
If they want to practice their religion in mine & be able to make demands regarding their religious beliefs in my country I should be able to do the same in theirs
If immigration & integration is to work it must be both ways. Can't have one rule for thee, one for me