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Furious with DD's swimwear

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FFSTeenagers · 23/07/2024 17:53

Someone talk me down please!

On holiday with elderly parents and elderly in-laws - wonderful people. 15 yr old DD has emerged from her room to go to the pool in 5he smallest of bikinis. I can almost see her vagina.

I feel fucking ancient saying this. I hate myself for even feeling like this but she has zero modesty.

I bought her 3 bikinis (together - we went together) from Roxy and Next - lovely ones. Not one has arrived and instead she has bought, without my knowledge, 4 from shein that are not for her curvy build. Barely any material and I'm really embarrassed.

Confronting her has gone downhill rapidly and she's claiming that I'm hardly a feminist as 'she should be able to wear what she likes as it's her body'. She's not bloody wrong but what the hell happened to my daughter's modesty.

My parents and in-laws are sensing the atmosphere already and we only arrived an hour ago.

AIBU?

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Yappucino · 23/07/2024 22:00

HappierTimesAhead · 23/07/2024 18:07

that are not for her curvy build YABU for this

Seconded.

OhcantthInkofaname · 23/07/2024 22:02

Okay I'm 73 - been a US size 4-6 all my life but DD cups and considered curvy always. Its a body type not a size. I don't wear bikinis anymore and for real swimming activity a one piece suit is far more comfortable.

Some bikinis today have a one inch or less crotch.

(Some trans activists targeted (yes a pun) a US dept store for not having wide enough crotch so they could disguise parts of their anatomy).

What I find disturbing about this is this child's willful disobedience. Her deceit is the most tiresome aspect of this.

Wahine24 · 23/07/2024 22:02

@socialdilemmawhattodo I believe the comment you quoted was from a revolting comment someone else made that was quite rightfully deleted

StarlightLady · 23/07/2024 22:03

Adviceneeeeded · 23/07/2024 21:44

Feminism doesn't mean you get to walk around basically naked imo.

Modesty isn't a bad thing. Not sure why we are teaching girls that being half naked is a reasonable thing to do just because they want to...

Edited

Modesty is a bad thing. Modesty is a male created term about how “naice girls” should dress and behave. There are much better arguments why this is not suitable for a 15 yo.

RitzyMcFee · 23/07/2024 22:04

Seconded

Surely you can see that two women with the same body type but with different chest sizes will look totally different in the same bikini.

NonPlayerCharacter · 23/07/2024 22:04

OhcantthInkofaname · 23/07/2024 22:02

Okay I'm 73 - been a US size 4-6 all my life but DD cups and considered curvy always. Its a body type not a size. I don't wear bikinis anymore and for real swimming activity a one piece suit is far more comfortable.

Some bikinis today have a one inch or less crotch.

(Some trans activists targeted (yes a pun) a US dept store for not having wide enough crotch so they could disguise parts of their anatomy).

What I find disturbing about this is this child's willful disobedience. Her deceit is the most tiresome aspect of this.

You've lived 73 years and are disturbed by a 15 year old not obeying her mother?

SpiritAdder · 23/07/2024 22:04

FFSTeenagers · 23/07/2024 19:00

I hate to say it, but that is very accurate to the one she emerged in.

So. For all you out there saying it's Me with the problem, would you be ok with your 15 year old wearing this?

It’s gut wrenching OP, but yes this is where the her body, her choice is either the truth or you’ve been a hypocrite and force her to cover up.

It’s her choice. I know you want to protect her from the unwanted male attention this will draw, but with teen girls some lessons must be learned the hard way.

Better now when you are there and present than at 18 and all alone with Uni friends.

Yappucino · 23/07/2024 22:04

Underthemoonsky · 23/07/2024 21:25

OP I agreed with you until you called her curvy and a size 6!!! I have an ED and it’s triggered me just reading that. Ah your poor daughter.

Curvy is a shape, not a size. You can be any size and still have curves, if your chest and hips are proportionately large compared to your waist.

Investinmyself · 23/07/2024 22:05

toomanytonotice · 23/07/2024 21:58

I very much doubt the bikini doesn’t cover her privates.

i’ve seen skimpy bikini’s, and none have ever not covered the essentials.

would I prefer a bit more coverage? Yes. But I suspect o/p’s daughter feels the same way I did when I was desperate for a mini skirt. Mum took me shopping and bought me an M&S two inches above the knee version, when I wanted the mid thigh one from tammy girl. If I had had internet shopping then no doubt I’d have bought myself the one I wanted, not the one my mum thought appropriate.

Edited

The micro bikini doesn’t cover privates her full buttocks and most of breasts except nipples on display. She’s a child. When she’s an adult on a holiday she’s paid for she can bare her bum or whatever she chooses.

socialdilemmawhattodo · 23/07/2024 22:05

ConfessionsOfAMumDramaQueen · 23/07/2024 21:37

Or even better, distribute all 3 among family members, grandad included 🤣

That could be family bonding!!

SpiritAdder · 23/07/2024 22:05

Feminism doesn't mean you get to walk around basically naked imo.

Thats the goal. To be able to go naked wherever, whenever and not be treated like a sex object.

Yappucino · 23/07/2024 22:06

RitzyMcFee · 23/07/2024 22:04

Seconded

Surely you can see that two women with the same body type but with different chest sizes will look totally different in the same bikini.

And that's not their fault. I understand the bottom part, but she shouldn't be punished for the size of her chest.

Snugglemonkey · 23/07/2024 22:06

Anothernamechane · 23/07/2024 18:38

If she’s a size 6 she really could hardly be any smaller so the “curvy” chat is very weird. Do you mean she has boobs? If so you’re already instilling in her at 15 that she can’t wear the same cute clothes as her smaller chested friends.

My entire life I’ve been made to feel like there’s something scandalous about my body just because I have a larger bust.

Me too. I ended up hiding it behind fat. So that went well.

QuillBill · 23/07/2024 22:07

i’ve seen skimpy bikini’s, and none have ever not covered the essentials.

Not even this year?

outdamnedspots · 23/07/2024 22:07

There is no nuance on MN any more.

Your dd should know that there are times when tiny bikinis are fine - eg on holiday with friends - and times when converting up would be better, to make sure everyone feels comfortable. She's clearly not that mature yet.

I'd talk to her, tell her this, explain that different clothes are suitable for different occasions. Then she can buy a swimming cozzie for round the pool.

This is nothing to do with feminism, either, but about manners and being considerate of others.

theeyeofdoe · 23/07/2024 22:08

No, she’s your child. Tell her grandma, grandad you and her dad are uncomfortable with her wearing this.
take her out and buy some new swim wear.
I am a mum of 3 teenagers.

outdamnedspots · 23/07/2024 22:08

Mummyoflittledragon · 23/07/2024 18:42

Do you mean this sort of thing op? My 16 yo dd has this bikini. It’s what they wear at that age.

No - op clearly says that the bikinis are much smaller than that.

FFSTeenagers · 23/07/2024 22:09

Again, there's much inference on this thread and you're not correct.

We spent a long time poring over different websites and visiting many stores - she chose Roxy and was really excited to get them. She wasn't forced to buy anything that she didn't want.

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Katbum · 23/07/2024 22:10

Uppity7 · 23/07/2024 18:15

I would also find this really grim. But I think you just have to suck it up. She's not wrong about the feminist angle. At this point, she's made the decision, and I'm sure her grandparents know it wasn't YOUR decision. Just let her get on with it.

Also... she's been secretive about this. She is HOPING to get a rise out of you.

I think all you can realistically do is try to make sure you're accompanying her if she's wearing the bikinis around predatory males.

I would also be tempted to take lots of holiday snaps including her in her dental floss bikinis in awkward positions. Really lean into it. Everything's fine, lovely holiday snaps! Then I would put together an album of large prints including the most unflattering shots of her, and leave it lying around. But then I have a bitchy side.

This is so nasty. Horrid. Why would you want to body shame your teenage daughter. It’s hard enough being a teenager already. I can still feel the shame and embarrassment of unflattering videos and pictures of myself at that age and they weren’t taken on purpose. Who aims to give their child psychological issues with their body that could last a lifetime. Not bitchy. Abusive.

CarmelaBrunella · 23/07/2024 22:10

Most parents seem just to give up on this, OP. Well done for trying to set boundaries and trying to get her to understand.

FFSTeenagers · 23/07/2024 22:11

Life2Short4Nonsense · 23/07/2024 19:07

I feel conflicted about this. On the one hand there is a long history of society telling women what they can and cannot wear. This is still going on. Nor do I believe women and girls are responsible for what predators or misogynists do. In an ideal world your daughter should be able to wear what she wants without consequences.

However, we don't live in an ideal world ofcourse. I would argue that with nearly everyone carrying an camera phone in their pockets, it's worse than it was 20 years ago. Your daughter might end up with some photo's of herself online that will mortify her in years to come. She is only fifteen and does not yet understand the full context of certain clothing.

Her comment about feminism also signals her immaturity and lack of understandig of the world she lives in. @FFSTeenagers you ought to show her some lectures from Gail Dines if she really wants to get an understanding of what feminism is. Your daughter has grown up in a pornified culture and she's not even aware of it. She has been spoon-fed a diet of sexual images before she even started to develop her own sexually. I wasn't even aware of how sexualized the images of pop-stars were when I was that age. To me the way Britney Spears dressed was perfectly normal and acceptable and I wore skimpy stuff without thinking about it. However, nobody had a smartphone back then, so I face no consequnces today.

There are many things she does not yet know or understand and this is where an adult needs to step in to provide boundaries and context and to protect her from consequences she should not have to face, just because she is still a foolish teenager.

Thank you.

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ForGreyKoala · 23/07/2024 22:11

RobertSalamander · 23/07/2024 18:32

There is zero nuance on Mumsnet OP. I agree with you that your DD has completely bypassed the bit where you learn that different clothes are appropriate for different occasions. Most decent grandads wouldn’t want to look at their granddaughter in a string bikini, for example.

I agree. I swear there are some MNers who have such dull lives that they get their kicks from jumping onto threads like this to try and prove how "cool" they are.

Those wittering on about how women can wear whatever they like totally ignore the fact that men rarely wander around showing almost everything to all and sundry. It's very sad that some women, especially young women, seem to feel that they need to. There is a big difference between wearing a normal bikini, and one such as OP has described which is not appropriate to be wearing around grandparents, not to mention complete strangers.

No advice OP, other than to ignore the idiots on this thread.

Katbum · 23/07/2024 22:12

Leave her alone. It’s perfectly normal for teenage girls to experiment with skimpy clothing and explore their bodies. If your older family are bothered by it that is on them, she is a child and going through a very normal stage. Don’t make life difficult for her.

LostTheMarble · 23/07/2024 22:12

toomanytonotice · 23/07/2024 21:58

I very much doubt the bikini doesn’t cover her privates.

i’ve seen skimpy bikini’s, and none have ever not covered the essentials.

would I prefer a bit more coverage? Yes. But I suspect o/p’s daughter feels the same way I did when I was desperate for a mini skirt. Mum took me shopping and bought me an M&S two inches above the knee version, when I wanted the mid thigh one from tammy girl. If I had had internet shopping then no doubt I’d have bought myself the one I wanted, not the one my mum thought appropriate.

Edited

Took ages to write this and it’s a bit of a cross post with the op so this is a full edit. I am wondering if the itsy bitsy teeny weeny bikini did come up trawling these websites and was just given a flat out no. It’s still odd that apparently daughter was absolutely fine with the choice but yet had zero intention of wearing whatever mum bought.

outdamnedspots · 23/07/2024 22:13

WombatCowgirl · 23/07/2024 18:55

I like the idea of the OP and grandmother wearing similar bikinis, I have often wondered if body positivity extends to older bodies and older faces, not just larger-sized teens who conform to beauty standards and fashions in hair, makeup etc.

Larger-sized teens?? She's a size 6.

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