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Christmas has descended into chaos

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Ladyritacircumference · 26/12/2023 14:35

I need to find out if I am unreasonable, I am diagnosed autistic with ADHD. I often struggle with these things.

So I said to DS in the summer that this year I won’t be doing Christmas presents for adults in families with DC, just DC. I did get a gift for my other sister because she has no DC or OH.

I am 100% sure that I communicated this. I recall her reaction which was ‘err, um ok.’ And I can visualise the place where the conversation happened. We don’t do big presents among adults in the family, they are always along the lines of a bottle of bubble bath, or a box of biscuits. A bit like a crap secret Santa. All the DS and their partners have good jobs and get themselves the things they want. For me the decision not to give to adults was that I find the cognitive load of Christmas totally overwhelming. I struggle with SAD and anxiety. I also have very little money and to me the extra cost does make a difference. I was able to get her children something better.

I dropped off the gifts for her kids on Christmas Eve.

Christmas Day, she gave me a gift when we met at my mothers. She said she was ‘very upset’. That there wasn’t gifts for her and her husband. I reminded her that I said I was only doing gifts for adults and told her that months ago when we started discussing Christmas arrangements.

She will never accept that I did tell her months ago that I wasn’t doing gifts for adults. So, I apologised to diffuse the situation. If I had forgotten to tell her, (which I really don’t think is the case) I didn’t do this with malice. Why would I seek to cause offence and bring problems on myself. I have occasionally forgotten people’s gifts in the past, I really struggle with this time of year, and organising life generally. I went home as I have covid, and woke up this morning to my mother on my doorstep.

She made me come outside. She was screeching at me in the street. She said she wanted all my neighbours to hear. My mother returned the gift I had given her, and then told me I was a totally horrible person for not having given gifts and for missing out younger sisters gift one year in the past.

She said I should have gone and wrapped something up for them. I don’t have anything suitable in the house. I didn’t buy in any Christmas stuff, I don’t drink, so no bottles of booze and no one has given me anything I could re-gift. Between 2pm on Christmas Day and 10am today I had been in bed with covid.

she also said I was horrible for cancelling younger sister coming round to visit me 20 and my kids years ago. I cancelled that visit as I was suffering from anxiety and had a panic attack because I can’t cope with people being in my house. I had called my crisis team worker who had told me to address the problem by taking control of the situation and cancel the visit. My mother said this was a horrible thing to do to my little sister.

The reason I can’t cope with people coming in to my house over the last 20 years is because it is a mess and my mother tells me this to my face, how disgusting and lazy I am. I was a single parent working full time so I figured the house would never be sparkling tidy.

I don’t invite her round because she makes negative comments about what a mess things are. In fact, every time she ever can round she has a go at me for things being messy or dirty… so to prevent this I don’t invite her.

She stood in the street screeching at me telling me I am a horrible person and dumped the present I got her on my doorstep. I obviously couldn’t say anything, just waited until she had finished.

How can I try and make things better? Do I return the gift that my sister gave me? I haven’t gone and got her anything because I worried that it wouldn’t be received and it would be an afterthought. I haven’t done any of these things to cause hurt. I think what my mother did was directly calculated to cause hurt, which is the thing that bothers me the most.

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TheCountIsPale · 26/12/2023 19:20

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Beautiful3 · 26/12/2023 19:21

I'd stop talking to them about it and have a break. Don't return any gifts, just leave it. Next year if you're all talking again, I'd message her saying, " please don't get me or my children christmas presents. As I'm no longer buying presents for others. My financial situation means I can only afford presents for my children. I hope you understand." Take a screen shot. So you know you sent it and she read the message. Its a bit weird to scream at you over a present, and why does she want the neighbours to hear her?! What a werido! Don't be sad, you did nothing wrong.

TheCountIsPale · 26/12/2023 19:22

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Mazuslongtoenail · 26/12/2023 19:22

Imagine causing a scene as an adult that you didn’t get a Christmas present.

I didn’t get one this year from a family member that I bought for, other years I’ve had stunning gifts from them. I really like the idea of buying what you think someone would like, and if you can’t think leaving it, rather than tat that is worth a set amount out of obligation.

mathanxiety · 26/12/2023 19:22

I think I can understand why you suffer from anxiety, and you probably have ptsd too, which makes people really scattered.

Your mother is a toxic, awful person.

Buy yourself a book called Toxic Parents, by Susan Forward, and read it. It will be the best Christmas present you've ever had.

Do you have a therapist? I'd discuss going no contact with your family if I were you. What positives do they bring to your life?

TheShellBeach · 26/12/2023 19:24

The overdiagnosis of neurological conditions will be a scandal in years to come. How appallingly insulting to people who have got an actual disability

Autism and ADHD are actual disabilities.

TheCountIsPale · 26/12/2023 19:26

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TooDyed · 26/12/2023 19:26

Fromage · 26/12/2023 15:17

Your mother and sister have mental health issues of their own. Awful behaviour from them.

If I were one of your neighbours and I saw and heard your sister screeching and your mother putting things on your doorstep, I would think the pair of them were batshit crazy.

I think you did tell your sister you'd only do presents for the children, and she has forgotten this.

I hope you feel better soon......but if covid has kept you away from people who will only cause you stress and be unkind to you, well, I would look on that as a silver lining.

This.

your family have issues, which pale beside anything you might suffer with.
Walk away from it all.

I personally blame the terrible soaps on TV for encouraging people to behave in the worst way, without good role models, I really do.

UK TV is not aspirational, but full of scruffy people, fighting, taking drugs and screeching, when you look at the Soap Operas, and I think people see this as acceptable behaviour.

mathanxiety · 26/12/2023 19:31

Ladyritacircumference · 26/12/2023 19:19

I was only diagnosed with these things as an adult. I think my family just think I need to stop being crap and disorganised. This is what they attribute my failings to. Like, ok I will just stop being crap then

You're not crap.

Your family otoh...

You are dealing with a situation where you are clearly the designated black sheep whom everyone else can criticise and set up to fail.

Look in the mirror every day and tell yourself that you do a very good job of getting through each day to the best of your ability, and you don't deserve the labels the family have seen fit to stick to you for their own purposes.

They have no right to define you.

Neitheronethingnortheother · 26/12/2023 19:36

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Try re-reading the OP where she clearly says she has autism in the first sentence

Then maybe read the bits where she has anxiety and panic attacks and support from a crisis team

Then maybe read the actual point of the posts about her abusive mother yelling at her in the street

And then take your pointless, unsupportive comments elsewhere because quite frankly you just sound cruel at this point

mathanxiety · 26/12/2023 19:38

Ladyritacircumference · 26/12/2023 15:01

Thank you all so much. My mother has been leaving things that I have given her on the doorstep throughout the day. I am worried what I should do next. Should I go and apologise and take their gifts back?

Your mother is utterly lacking in self awareness and self control. Her behaviour is 100% abusive and bears all the hallmarks of an out and out narcissist.

Please cut this awful person out of your life.

Do not apologise.

Do not contact her.

Leave all the stuff on your doorstep. Pretend to take no notice. All she wants is to provoke a response from you so she can continue to criticise and abuse you for your response. Indifference is the superpower you need to deploy to counter her attack.

You can put all the stuff in a box on the path tomorrow with a Free Stuff sign on it.

Tiedtoatwat · 26/12/2023 19:40

I feel so bad for you! Your family is horrible. Your fishwife of a mother should have had a bucket of water thrown over her from upstairs while she ranted on your doorstep.

She wanted the neighbours to hear? I will tell you what the neighbours heard, a nasty piece of work with no manners or class. Do not ever let her do this again. Close the door in her face, and let her shout the odds all she wants.

Stupid, selfish, pathetic excuses for human beings.

Ignore them x

Fancycheese · 26/12/2023 19:41

I’m sorry you have such an awful family. How are grown adults so upset about receiving Christmas presents. They’re worse than children. Deeply pathetic. My condolences.

Neitheronethingnortheother · 26/12/2023 19:42

Ladyritacircumference · 26/12/2023 19:19

I was only diagnosed with these things as an adult. I think my family just think I need to stop being crap and disorganised. This is what they attribute my failings to. Like, ok I will just stop being crap then

My mum told me that the reason can't drive is because I don't try hard enough

I'm partially sighted but apparently that's just me being lazy and I could see better if I wanted to. I was also only "diagnosed" as an adult, mostly because she ignored the words every specialist I was sent to said and decided for herself that me getting glasses fixed everything.

I am NC with her and I promise you the sheer and utter relief of not feeling like you have to keep justifying yourself to someone who is determined to think the worst of you is absolutely worth it.

Fancycheese · 26/12/2023 19:43

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How is this soapbox rant relevant to the OP?

Premfove · 26/12/2023 19:46

Ya I'm thinking your dictionary length diagnosis's are really just your response to growing up with an unhinged mother. YANBU

Meowandthen · 26/12/2023 19:46

Your family are horrible to you. Shame on your sister for shrieking in the street like that.

Have you ever had therapy? I suspect you will discover that they are at least partly responsible for your MH issues.

blondieminx · 26/12/2023 19:46

You’re not crap or disorganised. If you have ADHD then oh my good, literally struggling with organisation (“executive function”) is part of the condition?

family members calling you outside to screech at you is NOT normal. It’s abusive.

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Justanything86 · 26/12/2023 19:49

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I know you are probably trying to help but this sort of comment can be quite damaging. For many of us the behaviours that go with having adhd are used as a stick to beat us with (and we often beat ourselves with) as they initially look like laziness or a lack of effort. Attempting to 'own' my behaviours as a late diagnosed adhd person damaged my mental health and self esteem immeasurably and left me close to suicidal as I just could not manage to be 'normal'.

The way op writes suggests to me that she too probably suffers from low self esteem from years of trying to manage this with no help. I suspect she has constantly had to justify herself and feels she can't just getting away with 'not being bothered' so feels the need to explain.

Kdtym10 · 26/12/2023 19:50

Your family are abusive tossers and probably contribute substantially to your mental health issues. You have done nothing wrong at all.

Do nothing. Don’t answer your door or phone to any of them. Ask yourself, what do they add up your life, anything????

Kdtym10 · 26/12/2023 19:58

Justanything86 · 26/12/2023 19:49

I know you are probably trying to help but this sort of comment can be quite damaging. For many of us the behaviours that go with having adhd are used as a stick to beat us with (and we often beat ourselves with) as they initially look like laziness or a lack of effort. Attempting to 'own' my behaviours as a late diagnosed adhd person damaged my mental health and self esteem immeasurably and left me close to suicidal as I just could not manage to be 'normal'.

The way op writes suggests to me that she too probably suffers from low self esteem from years of trying to manage this with no help. I suspect she has constantly had to justify herself and feels she can't just getting away with 'not being bothered' so feels the need to explain.

Great post. It’s like saying to someone with a broken leg, just own your injury and go on a 10 mile walk.

I get it’s hard for people to understand how it is when your mind works so differently- my mind doesn’t recognise time because of my adhd. It’s simply a concept that doesn’t exist to me. I can’t wear a watch because constantly being reminded of time is so stressful. Without it I can go for much of my life without really trying to force my mind to grasp something so incomprehensible.

its so helpful to have a reason, otherwise you spend your life beating yourself up about “failing again”. When it’s just your mind and social norms are simply at odds. It’s neither a fault.

Chevybaby · 26/12/2023 19:59

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Very long-winded way of saying you don't understand neurodivergence

Scarfitwere · 26/12/2023 20:00

To echo what others have said, this is abusive behaviour on your family's part and suggests long running abusive behaviour. Your responses are concerning as they seem to indicate, despite what people have said, that you still think you should have bought gifts to avoid this. I agree with everyone else who's said cut them out of your life. I imagine things would improve for you!

Lilacanemone · 26/12/2023 20:02

It would probably have been better to exclude all adults, not just the ones with children.

Yalta · 26/12/2023 20:05

*Ladyritacircumference · Today 15:01

Thank you all so much. My mother has been leaving things that I have given her on the doorstep throughout the day. I am worried what I should do next. Should I go and apologise and take their gifts back*

Take it in and list on Ebay or FBMP and with the money you get put towards a bill.
It might as well be made use of

You have to look at what people add to your life and sometimes cutting friends and even family from it is best for you overall.

As someone with ADHD I don’t shop for anyone other than those under my roof.
I don’t really celebrate Christmas. I did the whole Santa thing when dc were little and that was lovely but the years we just boarded a plane for somewhere hot were some of our best Christmas days