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Christmas has descended into chaos

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Ladyritacircumference · 26/12/2023 14:35

I need to find out if I am unreasonable, I am diagnosed autistic with ADHD. I often struggle with these things.

So I said to DS in the summer that this year I won’t be doing Christmas presents for adults in families with DC, just DC. I did get a gift for my other sister because she has no DC or OH.

I am 100% sure that I communicated this. I recall her reaction which was ‘err, um ok.’ And I can visualise the place where the conversation happened. We don’t do big presents among adults in the family, they are always along the lines of a bottle of bubble bath, or a box of biscuits. A bit like a crap secret Santa. All the DS and their partners have good jobs and get themselves the things they want. For me the decision not to give to adults was that I find the cognitive load of Christmas totally overwhelming. I struggle with SAD and anxiety. I also have very little money and to me the extra cost does make a difference. I was able to get her children something better.

I dropped off the gifts for her kids on Christmas Eve.

Christmas Day, she gave me a gift when we met at my mothers. She said she was ‘very upset’. That there wasn’t gifts for her and her husband. I reminded her that I said I was only doing gifts for adults and told her that months ago when we started discussing Christmas arrangements.

She will never accept that I did tell her months ago that I wasn’t doing gifts for adults. So, I apologised to diffuse the situation. If I had forgotten to tell her, (which I really don’t think is the case) I didn’t do this with malice. Why would I seek to cause offence and bring problems on myself. I have occasionally forgotten people’s gifts in the past, I really struggle with this time of year, and organising life generally. I went home as I have covid, and woke up this morning to my mother on my doorstep.

She made me come outside. She was screeching at me in the street. She said she wanted all my neighbours to hear. My mother returned the gift I had given her, and then told me I was a totally horrible person for not having given gifts and for missing out younger sisters gift one year in the past.

She said I should have gone and wrapped something up for them. I don’t have anything suitable in the house. I didn’t buy in any Christmas stuff, I don’t drink, so no bottles of booze and no one has given me anything I could re-gift. Between 2pm on Christmas Day and 10am today I had been in bed with covid.

she also said I was horrible for cancelling younger sister coming round to visit me 20 and my kids years ago. I cancelled that visit as I was suffering from anxiety and had a panic attack because I can’t cope with people being in my house. I had called my crisis team worker who had told me to address the problem by taking control of the situation and cancel the visit. My mother said this was a horrible thing to do to my little sister.

The reason I can’t cope with people coming in to my house over the last 20 years is because it is a mess and my mother tells me this to my face, how disgusting and lazy I am. I was a single parent working full time so I figured the house would never be sparkling tidy.

I don’t invite her round because she makes negative comments about what a mess things are. In fact, every time she ever can round she has a go at me for things being messy or dirty… so to prevent this I don’t invite her.

She stood in the street screeching at me telling me I am a horrible person and dumped the present I got her on my doorstep. I obviously couldn’t say anything, just waited until she had finished.

How can I try and make things better? Do I return the gift that my sister gave me? I haven’t gone and got her anything because I worried that it wouldn’t be received and it would be an afterthought. I haven’t done any of these things to cause hurt. I think what my mother did was directly calculated to cause hurt, which is the thing that bothers me the most.

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TheShellBeach · 26/12/2023 17:51

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Autism and ADHD are diagnoses, and registered disabilities.

WyrdyGrob · 26/12/2023 17:54

all the support to you OP
i also just want to call out this gem of bullshit:

My wider point is that we don’t need to have a psychological label for every single behaviour. Perhaps owning our behaviours makes us more powerful and honest rather than shifting responsibility

tell me you haven’t had cognitive overload without telling me …..

nope nope nopity nope. You don’t get to take the words we need to describe ourselves off us. Cognitive overload is very different to CBA or too busy.

TheShellBeach · 26/12/2023 17:56

peakygold · 26/12/2023 16:13

And to think, a couple of bits of tat from the pound shop could have avoided all of this unpleasantness. Family is family, however mad they are, and it's a lonely life without.

Ridiculous comment.

Maria1982 · 26/12/2023 17:57

Ladyritacircumference · 26/12/2023 15:01

Thank you all so much. My mother has been leaving things that I have given her on the doorstep throughout the day. I am worried what I should do next. Should I go and apologise and take their gifts back?

Do not apologise !!

your mum is being horrible

penjil · 26/12/2023 18:03

Don't speak to anyone in your family again.

What a bunch of self-entitled losers.

Very strange people to demand gifts.

You need to be happy, and dropping this lot will improve your life.

Neitheronethingnortheother · 26/12/2023 18:05

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ASD impairs cognition. Therefore the impact of certain tasks on cognition in someone with ASD is higher than in someone without ASD aka the cognitive load is more taxing for them.

Honestly you sound like someone telling a person in a wheelchair not to blame their paralysis for the reason they aren't walking and that if you dont walk somewhere it's because you can't be bothered so it must be the same for them so owning that would make them more powerful and honest rather than shifting the blame onto some condition or other. 🙄

Stop shaming people from using their medical conditions and disabilities to explain why certain things are harder. It's ableist, dismissive and in the context of this thread pretty fucking offensive.

diddl · 26/12/2023 18:12

Ladyritacircumference · 26/12/2023 15:01

Thank you all so much. My mother has been leaving things that I have given her on the doorstep throughout the day. I am worried what I should do next. Should I go and apologise and take their gifts back?

How very strange!

I'd be tempted to pass them on to your sister.

You know what, even if you hadn't told your sister that you weren't doing presents this year that still wouldn't have made her reaction OK!

MagpieCastle · 26/12/2023 18:19

I’m really sorry you’ve experienced this OP. Your family have behaved appallingly. None of this is down to you. As a parent of neurodiverse adults I can’t get my head round your mum and sister’s reaction and their over the top response. At best it’s weirdly grabby and at worst it’s bullying. You have done nothing wrong. Don’t try to compensate or apologise for something that’s not of your making. Sending hugs and hope that the rest of the holidays are calmer for you. You do brilliantly navigating such unreasonable and unkind family members but do try to put your own needs and MH first and sometimes that might mean getting some space away from these people.

byteme1011 · 26/12/2023 18:23

Honestly they are bullying you, without knowing your full family situation, could you take a step back from them for a bit and go no contact with them? I honestly think your mental health would improve, how often have they behaved like this? I'm assuming they are drunk? I really don't understand why they wanted your neighbours hearing them abuse you, you deserve to be treated with respect.

IncompleteSenten · 26/12/2023 18:26

How do you make things better?

You make things better for yourself and your children by removing these awful people from your life!

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 26/12/2023 18:36

It's hard because they're family and literally every narrative you hear is "but...family". However, you absolutely do not need to accept being treated like crap. Doesn't matter who it is. You let whoever you want into your space and life. If someone only makes you feel bad, you do not have to be around them.

Think about what you would want for your DC. And do that for yourself. Set the example to them that they should only allow themselves to be loved and respected. Not spoken to like something on someone's shoe.

Thecatmaster · 26/12/2023 18:43

Don't do anything with the gifts that they have returned. Don't feed into the drama. Don't go to the door. Just don't interact until things have calmed down. If you do talk to them in the future, explain why you have previously cancelled events. Also explain that you have never returned gifts to recipients, yelled at them in the street or criticised the state of their houses. In fact, I would put it all in writing telling them how you struggle and outlining their behaviour and tell them that you will need to distance yourself as they have seriously impacted your mental health. This is not a healthy relationship.

Thecatmaster · 26/12/2023 18:47

If you are ever minded to get them presents in the future, decrease your mental load by getting them baylis and Harding gift sets, no matter the recipient or age. Just give 5hem all the same if presents are so important to them.

covidforchristmas23 · 26/12/2023 18:49

Oh my goodness OP, this is horrific!

You've done nothing wrong, in fact you've done everything right.

I never say this, but I would go low or no contact with your family. They are harming your mental health. No normal loving family would behave this way.

Don't apologise, don't make contact.

milveycrohn · 26/12/2023 18:52

I wish I could be like you, OP. Every year I say can we just do presents for the little ones (DGC), and not adults, (or a secret santa) but every year it morphs into a present frenzy, which I loath. In fact I never get a present for my DH (though I managed to buy him a small inexpensive gift this year), because I just cannot cope with it all, as well as hosting for everyone. And my house is messy as well. I just do the best I can, and gave my DH 4 weeks notice to clear his stuff from everywhere, which he sort of managed, partly.
Your family are totally rude about it all though, but maybe this could be the catalyst for change.
I have tried in the past, sending messages, etc around August September (which I thought would be plenty of notice). I am not assertive enough, but I am saying this for you to know that this can affect any one of us, but possibly worse if you also have anxiety issues.

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 26/12/2023 18:59

Ladyritacircumference · 26/12/2023 15:01

Thank you all so much. My mother has been leaving things that I have given her on the doorstep throughout the day. I am worried what I should do next. Should I go and apologise and take their gifts back?

“My mother has been leaving things on the doorstep that I have given her throughout the day”
You have to be kidding right, she’s a piece of work and no wonder you suffer mentally, as she has obviously fucked with you all your life.
Dont apologise or back down.Dont explain or communicate
Fuck em

Ladyritacircumference · 26/12/2023 19:07

Yes, explanation was that for families (both my boyfriend’s family and god children families etc) we would just buy for the children, ie spend the whole of the family budget on kids present so that they get something better.

Now I am worried that I didn’t tell her, sure I did though. This is making me question my own sanity.

If roles were reversed, I might have made a joke of it, or asked privately if there was something for me, incase it was lost somewhere and I would cause offence by not thanking the giver. However , when I received the explanation, I would have just thought, ok, no dramas, and been happy that my kids got nicer presents, and thought no more of it.

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Ladyritacircumference · 26/12/2023 19:07

Yes, explanation was that for families (both my boyfriend’s family and god children families etc) we would just buy for the children, ie spend the whole of the family budget on kids present so that they get something better.

Now I am worried that I didn’t tell her, sure I did though. This is making me question my own sanity.

If roles were reversed, I might have made a joke of it, or asked privately if there was something for me, incase it was lost somewhere and I would cause offence by not thanking the giver. However , when I received the explanation, I would have just thought, ok, no dramas, and been happy that my kids got nicer presents, and thought no more of it.

But you haven’t just bought for dc, you’ve bought for your mum and childfree sister. So if this sister is the only one who didn’t get a present in the family then that’s probably why is annoyed.

Mumof2NDers · 26/12/2023 19:11

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Yes it is!!

Christmas has descended into chaos
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Ladyritacircumference · 26/12/2023 19:17

My little Sister has no DH or children, she ends up buying loads of gifts, same with my mum.

Flip side of the family gifting scenario is that my sister and her husband weren’t supposed to get a gift for me or my partner, so it works out well for them. They could even buy us nothing and buy themselves a treat instead if they wanted. We really don’t want more landfill or shower gel. Getting a load of stuff that I just don’t want or need stresses me out too. The family would not be giving me and my partner anything… just us buying for the children of the family. My own children are well grown up, they buy their own gifts for people.

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TheShellBeach · 26/12/2023 19:18

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OP has said she is autistic and has ADHD.

Both are disabilities and I am sick to death of seeing ignorant posts like this.

MNHQ do not let racist posts stand so they should not let ableist hate speech stand either.

Ladyritacircumference · 26/12/2023 19:19

I was only diagnosed with these things as an adult. I think my family just think I need to stop being crap and disorganised. This is what they attribute my failings to. Like, ok I will just stop being crap then

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