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Christmas has descended into chaos

193 replies

Ladyritacircumference · 26/12/2023 14:35

I need to find out if I am unreasonable, I am diagnosed autistic with ADHD. I often struggle with these things.

So I said to DS in the summer that this year I won’t be doing Christmas presents for adults in families with DC, just DC. I did get a gift for my other sister because she has no DC or OH.

I am 100% sure that I communicated this. I recall her reaction which was ‘err, um ok.’ And I can visualise the place where the conversation happened. We don’t do big presents among adults in the family, they are always along the lines of a bottle of bubble bath, or a box of biscuits. A bit like a crap secret Santa. All the DS and their partners have good jobs and get themselves the things they want. For me the decision not to give to adults was that I find the cognitive load of Christmas totally overwhelming. I struggle with SAD and anxiety. I also have very little money and to me the extra cost does make a difference. I was able to get her children something better.

I dropped off the gifts for her kids on Christmas Eve.

Christmas Day, she gave me a gift when we met at my mothers. She said she was ‘very upset’. That there wasn’t gifts for her and her husband. I reminded her that I said I was only doing gifts for adults and told her that months ago when we started discussing Christmas arrangements.

She will never accept that I did tell her months ago that I wasn’t doing gifts for adults. So, I apologised to diffuse the situation. If I had forgotten to tell her, (which I really don’t think is the case) I didn’t do this with malice. Why would I seek to cause offence and bring problems on myself. I have occasionally forgotten people’s gifts in the past, I really struggle with this time of year, and organising life generally. I went home as I have covid, and woke up this morning to my mother on my doorstep.

She made me come outside. She was screeching at me in the street. She said she wanted all my neighbours to hear. My mother returned the gift I had given her, and then told me I was a totally horrible person for not having given gifts and for missing out younger sisters gift one year in the past.

She said I should have gone and wrapped something up for them. I don’t have anything suitable in the house. I didn’t buy in any Christmas stuff, I don’t drink, so no bottles of booze and no one has given me anything I could re-gift. Between 2pm on Christmas Day and 10am today I had been in bed with covid.

she also said I was horrible for cancelling younger sister coming round to visit me 20 and my kids years ago. I cancelled that visit as I was suffering from anxiety and had a panic attack because I can’t cope with people being in my house. I had called my crisis team worker who had told me to address the problem by taking control of the situation and cancel the visit. My mother said this was a horrible thing to do to my little sister.

The reason I can’t cope with people coming in to my house over the last 20 years is because it is a mess and my mother tells me this to my face, how disgusting and lazy I am. I was a single parent working full time so I figured the house would never be sparkling tidy.

I don’t invite her round because she makes negative comments about what a mess things are. In fact, every time she ever can round she has a go at me for things being messy or dirty… so to prevent this I don’t invite her.

She stood in the street screeching at me telling me I am a horrible person and dumped the present I got her on my doorstep. I obviously couldn’t say anything, just waited until she had finished.

How can I try and make things better? Do I return the gift that my sister gave me? I haven’t gone and got her anything because I worried that it wouldn’t be received and it would be an afterthought. I haven’t done any of these things to cause hurt. I think what my mother did was directly calculated to cause hurt, which is the thing that bothers me the most.

OP posts:
Cornishclio · 26/12/2023 17:18

They are treating you abysmally and I think you should take a step back and go LC. They honestly sound unhinged themselves. Setting expectations around Christmas presents for adults is totally sensible and I would be tempted to step back altogether and just do presents for your DC. Do you have support from anyone who is not toxic?

Sorting your house out room by room may help your MH. My SIL is ADHD and both my granddaughters ASD and living in a mess unsettles them. Tackle one small corner a day and try to keep on top of keeping the house tidy and clean. Do you get DLA and if so can you use some of it to get a cleaner?

uclpp · 26/12/2023 17:20

Whatever your mother is putting on your doorstep - sell it. She sounds demented.

Gymnopedie · 26/12/2023 17:22

How can I try and make things better?

(1) You can't

and

(2) You shouldn't

You can't because you are not the problem. They are unspeakably nasty and have decided that you are their whipping boy and punchbag.

You shouldn't because...the same reason you can't.

Remove yourself from them. Let them find another punchbag, you've just quit the position. Your life and your mental health will both be massively better. That might sound scary if you feel it would leave you with no family contact but they are pulling you so far down it WILL be better and you WILL go up in your self esteem when you haven't got them doing everything they can think of to make sure you haven't got any.

azlazee1 · 26/12/2023 17:23

You did nothing wrong. Your family's behavior is appalling. Toss mom's returned gift - get them out of your house. If and when you talk to them again, make it Very clear that going forward you will only be gifting children.

captainsudoku · 26/12/2023 17:24

How awful for you, OP. What terrible behaviour from your mother. They don't deserve any presents! You don't owe them anything. Flowers

StrictlyComeSnoozing · 26/12/2023 17:25

Jesus fucking christ I'd be telling the pair of them to piss off away from me then stay there.

You don't need this shit in your life. Your loved ones are supposed to support you and enhance your life.

bonzaitree · 26/12/2023 17:26

Ladyritacircumference · 26/12/2023 15:01

Thank you all so much. My mother has been leaving things that I have given her on the doorstep throughout the day. I am worried what I should do next. Should I go and apologise and take their gifts back?

This is extremely odd behaviour

QueenOfMOHO · 26/12/2023 17:28

This is awful OP, I hope you can rise above them.

There's some nasty disablist comments on here though, people calling your relatives "demented" are not on.
Dementia should never be used as a term of abuse.

fetchacloth · 26/12/2023 17:29

I'm not surprised you have MH issues with a family like that - this would also totally do my head in.🙄
For the sake of your MH, I think you may need to consider distancing yourself from your family. It's just not worth the pain.

pingusslappyfeet · 26/12/2023 17:29

Tell them to away and grow up? I know you probably can’t do this because it’d be too hard to say it and mean it and stick to it - I have all too much sympathy with the dynamic you’ve described but honestly - that’s what they’re needing to do. You’re upset and I can see why and poor lass, you have written many paragraphs of self-justification when absolutely nothing needs written. They’re acting like spoiled children.

TLDR:

I feel bad for you and wish things were different for you, you’ve done nothing wrong. Get it printed on a tea towel and use it every morning. It ain’t you, it’s them.

Neitheronethingnortheother · 26/12/2023 17:29

peakygold · 26/12/2023 16:13

And to think, a couple of bits of tat from the pound shop could have avoided all of this unpleasantness. Family is family, however mad they are, and it's a lonely life without.

People shouldn't have to buy their relatives good behaviour with "a couple of bits of tat from the pound shop"

And as someone who has an abusive mother I can assure you that the supposed loneliness NC brings is far better than abuse, fear, obligation, guilt and turmoil.

Because what that "loneliness" actually looks like is peace, calm, certainty and not treading on eggshells and its absolutely fucking delightful in comparison

Cwtshcwtsh · 26/12/2023 17:30

It’s not you. Your family are foul. I’m so sorry. Please preserve yourself in whichever way is best, if that means NC long or short term, please do. You’d probably have far less MH issues away from them. As PP have said, that’s not normal or healthy behaviour. No wonder you feel anxious. Hugs and please find people who remind you of all that’s good about you, because your family sound completely toxic.

verdantverdure · 26/12/2023 17:31

Ladyritacircumference · 26/12/2023 15:01

Thank you all so much. My mother has been leaving things that I have given her on the doorstep throughout the day. I am worried what I should do next. Should I go and apologise and take their gifts back?

You did nothing wrong and it's not up to you to respond to your appalling mother's passive aggressive doorstep goading and put yourself in a position to be shouted at again.

You did nothing wrong. You don't have to respond.

God almighty. Your family are awful.

SallySunrise · 26/12/2023 17:35

Give yourself the gift of peace and cut them all off. I wouldn't be surprised if your mental health then improves massively.

BigButtons · 26/12/2023 17:35

Your family are disgusting @Ladyritacircumference . You did what you said you were going to do. I also remember converse like the one you had with your sister. I remember stuff other people forget. Pet of you anxiety will be from having to deal with your awful family. Can you go low or no contact with them?

TitaniasAss · 26/12/2023 17:38

Regardless of the gift giving situation, the best thing you can do for your own mental health is keep the hell away from these people. They sound like a huge factor in your struggles with anxiety. You just don't need this kind of unhinged behaviour in your life. No one does.

EdinGirl · 26/12/2023 17:38

RatatouillePie · 26/12/2023 15:08

Your family are weirdos.

Do nothing.

If they don't want the gifts then keep them for yourself or regift them to someone else.

I know blood is thicker than water but your family sound awful!

Next time don't have a conversation about important things, put it in writing in an email!

I just found out that we use that saying wrong! I recently went NC with my sister and my friend told me this 🥰

What we all say: Blood is thicker than water.

The Extension: "The blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb.”

The saying means that chosen bonds are more significant than the bonds with family or “water of the womb.”

More directly, it means that relationships you make yourself are far more important than the ones that you don’t choose.

I found this really cool and comforting.

And just a little message to OP, you don't deserve this treatment and I feel so, so sorry 🫂
My sister is awful and I went NC with her two months ago and I feel so free and relieved.

Toxic, unkind, abusive people do NOT deserve to be in your life. It doesn't matter who they are! 💗

YouStupidGirl · 26/12/2023 17:40

Poor you OP that you are so brainwashed you would even, for one minute, think you are in the wrong and need advice to “make things right” with your disgusting family.

I wouldn’t have anything to do with the lot of them - I bet your MH would improve tenfold if you went NC.

RedToothBrush · 26/12/2023 17:43

How can I try and make things better?

YOU don't.

YOU don't apologise for abusive behaviour.

You have already apologised for any miscommunication/misunderstanding/willful not listening.

If they don't bother, its not a loss for you. This is not an ok way to behave and you'd be better off without these people in your life.

KvotheTheBloodless · 26/12/2023 17:45

Your mother is insane, your sister is a drama llama.

You are normal!

ToWhitToWhoo · 26/12/2023 17:47

Your sister and especially your mother sound horribly mean!

There is nothing wrong with making presents 'children only'; many people do, even with no mental health/ ND issues. If you remember telling them, then I'm sure you did. And even if you had made some sort of omission, it would NOT justify their tantrums, and your mother deliberately trying to humiliate you in front of your neighbours (actually she humiliated herself by her behaviour).

And her constant attacking you for your home being 'messy'!

Doing all this when you're ill makes it even worse.

Unfortunately, there's nothing much that you can do to improve things, as it's not you, it's them.

GoatsareGOAT · 26/12/2023 17:47

It's really easy to assume that you're the problem/wrong when you're ND & I think your family are capitalising on that pattern.

You are not in the wrong your family are in the wrong. You need to consider how your life would be easier - low contact/no contact/firm boundaries etc

Honestly the "normal" response to not being given an expected gift as an adult is a moment of disappointment & then understanding when you explained you were only doing child gifts.

You don't need to let them treat you like this, you deserve better.

Ktime · 26/12/2023 17:48

I agree your family are behaving badly.

You say you got your childfree sister, your mum and your nieces/nephews presents.

Does this mean the only person who didn’t get a gift was your sister?

Because I can see why that would have upset her.

WonderLife · 26/12/2023 17:48

Do you think maybe your mum could be autistic too? She seems to be struggling that you aren't following 'the rules' of Christmas/her family, and her behaviour isn't within typical social norms.

StopStartStop · 26/12/2023 17:48

How can I try and make things better?

Don't.

Past issue - Your house was a mess, you were working, you're Audhd - you put ten times the effort into everyday life that NTs do. Never feel bad about what doesn't get done.

Now - The person kicking off with you - that's their problem. Shrug it off. Practice doing that. It can be done. They are wrong. You have done your best.

Gifts - ignore. If they've returned them, fine. Use them, throw them, give them to charity, whatever suits.

Don't seek out your family. If they come to you being pleasant and you want to, let them. If not, just calmly say 'No thank you' and move on.

I'm audhd, too. When you realise that you don't have to believe other people, life becomes a lot easier. They can't hurt you anymore.