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Christmas has descended into chaos

193 replies

Ladyritacircumference · 26/12/2023 14:35

I need to find out if I am unreasonable, I am diagnosed autistic with ADHD. I often struggle with these things.

So I said to DS in the summer that this year I won’t be doing Christmas presents for adults in families with DC, just DC. I did get a gift for my other sister because she has no DC or OH.

I am 100% sure that I communicated this. I recall her reaction which was ‘err, um ok.’ And I can visualise the place where the conversation happened. We don’t do big presents among adults in the family, they are always along the lines of a bottle of bubble bath, or a box of biscuits. A bit like a crap secret Santa. All the DS and their partners have good jobs and get themselves the things they want. For me the decision not to give to adults was that I find the cognitive load of Christmas totally overwhelming. I struggle with SAD and anxiety. I also have very little money and to me the extra cost does make a difference. I was able to get her children something better.

I dropped off the gifts for her kids on Christmas Eve.

Christmas Day, she gave me a gift when we met at my mothers. She said she was ‘very upset’. That there wasn’t gifts for her and her husband. I reminded her that I said I was only doing gifts for adults and told her that months ago when we started discussing Christmas arrangements.

She will never accept that I did tell her months ago that I wasn’t doing gifts for adults. So, I apologised to diffuse the situation. If I had forgotten to tell her, (which I really don’t think is the case) I didn’t do this with malice. Why would I seek to cause offence and bring problems on myself. I have occasionally forgotten people’s gifts in the past, I really struggle with this time of year, and organising life generally. I went home as I have covid, and woke up this morning to my mother on my doorstep.

She made me come outside. She was screeching at me in the street. She said she wanted all my neighbours to hear. My mother returned the gift I had given her, and then told me I was a totally horrible person for not having given gifts and for missing out younger sisters gift one year in the past.

She said I should have gone and wrapped something up for them. I don’t have anything suitable in the house. I didn’t buy in any Christmas stuff, I don’t drink, so no bottles of booze and no one has given me anything I could re-gift. Between 2pm on Christmas Day and 10am today I had been in bed with covid.

she also said I was horrible for cancelling younger sister coming round to visit me 20 and my kids years ago. I cancelled that visit as I was suffering from anxiety and had a panic attack because I can’t cope with people being in my house. I had called my crisis team worker who had told me to address the problem by taking control of the situation and cancel the visit. My mother said this was a horrible thing to do to my little sister.

The reason I can’t cope with people coming in to my house over the last 20 years is because it is a mess and my mother tells me this to my face, how disgusting and lazy I am. I was a single parent working full time so I figured the house would never be sparkling tidy.

I don’t invite her round because she makes negative comments about what a mess things are. In fact, every time she ever can round she has a go at me for things being messy or dirty… so to prevent this I don’t invite her.

She stood in the street screeching at me telling me I am a horrible person and dumped the present I got her on my doorstep. I obviously couldn’t say anything, just waited until she had finished.

How can I try and make things better? Do I return the gift that my sister gave me? I haven’t gone and got her anything because I worried that it wouldn’t be received and it would be an afterthought. I haven’t done any of these things to cause hurt. I think what my mother did was directly calculated to cause hurt, which is the thing that bothers me the most.

OP posts:
dooneyousmugelf · 26/12/2023 15:46

Your mother in particular is vile. I would use a stronger word but I'm not looking to upset you. It is crushingly awful to realise that members of your own family are bad, or dysfunctional, or abusive and cruel. The upside, however: ITS NOT YOU.
Dont apologise or attempt to placate. You will never be 'right' with people like that. You will make yourself quite unwell even trying. Big hugs because it is so sad Flowers

Namechangeforthis11111 · 26/12/2023 15:47

best wishes op. Their behavior is terrible. Ignore as best you can. Your mother may well have significant issues that are not diagnosed.

Conkersinautumn · 26/12/2023 15:52

Your family are grabby, boundaryless and vile. Carry on not allowing them into your space and carve out a holiday that gives YOU something, it's not for them!

dapsnotplimsolls · 26/12/2023 15:55

Go LC at the very least and take all the returned presents to a charity shop tomorrow.

Greenpolkadot · 26/12/2023 15:55

What an awful family. Your sister screaming in the street like a common demented twerp.
How on earth do you put up with this.
You are better off away from such rabble

ClairDeLaLune · 26/12/2023 15:56

Oh OP I have nothing new to add here, just want to say I’m very sad this happened to you, you haven’t done anything wrong, and your mum and sister sound absolutely appalling. What your mum did was awful and unforgivable imo, I would go NC after that. And your sister needs to grow up - how pathetic.

Echobelly · 26/12/2023 15:59

The way you make things better is to keep toxic people out of your life. They don't deserve you accommodating them and certainly not apologising to them - you named your boundaries and they decided to ignore them. As others have said nothing you do will be enough - they may even enjoy having you as their 'whipping girl', thinking 'Lady Rita will just let us yell at her and then she'll grovel and apologise, how pathetic!'

Of course, when you cut them off they'll be all 'Boohoo, Lady Rita is so horrid and cruel, she has cut us off her own family!' sob sob sob to anyone who will listen but you must be strong. They are nasty, cruel people - you wouldn't act like that towards another person would you? Why should you care about the opinion of people who are like that? You shouldn't. It's not easy, but you can hold your head high, and don't let these people swoop in a shit all over your life, because you deserve better.

DidiAskYouThough · 26/12/2023 16:00

@RatatouillePie the full expression is the blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb, meaning the family we choose for ourselves is stronger than whatever shit relatives we’re inflicted with.

OP tell these people to go and fuck themselves.

Mammma91 · 26/12/2023 16:00

Wow. Do absolutely nothing. Don’t return the gifts, don’t apologise and certainly don’t put yourself in financial difficulties just to de-fuse a problem they have created. It is absolutely not unreasonable to not do presents for adults. You have done nothing wrong. Keep the gifts she’s insisting on returning and ignore her. If she shows up again, call 999 and have her removed from your property. She has absolutely no right to try and humiliate a grown women on her own door step. Shame on your mum and merry Christmas OP. I hope you’re feeling better soon!

Birdcar · 26/12/2023 16:01

"How can I try and make things better?"

You can't. Just leave it be. They're going to do what they're going to do. If your mother wants to make a fool of herself leaving returned presents outside your door and shouting in the street then that's on her.

ClottedCreamScone · 26/12/2023 16:02

Your family are abusive. I’m so sorry they treat you this way.

You've done nothing wrong and aren’t responsible for their behaviour. They are blaming you because they like the drama and camaraderie they have of being ‘victims’. Just because they feel that way doesn’t make it your fault when your behaviour has been absolutely fine.

Ramalangadingdong · 26/12/2023 16:03

This is a harrowing read, op. They are totally abusing you. How your mother could make a show of herself like that is beyond me. It is perfectly reasonable not to buy presents for everyone. In my family people just give gifts to adults as a gesture, but like you we give to the younger members. I can't afford to give presents to everyone. I'm not doing too badly but I choose to spend my money on other things. Christmas present buying can get out of hand and I can't stand it.

Ignore them, but keep coming back to this thread for support. We'll be here when you need us. I haven't rtft, but if there are some negative responses to you on here please ignore them and listen to the people who want to support you.

Gnomegnomegnome · 26/12/2023 16:07

Are you okay @Ladyritacircumference ?

I’m sorry that your family are being so awful especially at Christmas.

Do you have anyone to support you?
Anyone that could come around?

You haven’t done anything wrong and even if you had you don’t deserve this.

FictionalCharacter · 26/12/2023 16:07

Neitheronethingnortheother · 26/12/2023 14:39

I'm not suprised you have anxiety issues and panic attacks with a family like that

I know it's easier said than done but if someone ever comes around shouting at you on your doorstep again, just go back in the house and lock the door. You can always call the police if necessary

You don't have to have abusive people in your life just because they are related to you.

Absolutely.
OP you don't need to apologise, return gifts, anything. Stick to what you told them you'd do and ignore their nonsense. Reduce contact with them. You don't owe them the satisfaction of seeing you dance to their tune.

TonTonMacoute · 26/12/2023 16:07

She made me come outside. She was screeching at me in the street. She said she wanted all my neighbours to hear. My mother returned the gift I had given her, and then told me I was a totally horrible person for not having given gifts and for missing out younger sisters gift one year in the past.

Please understand that they are the problem, not you. This is no way 'normal' behaviour.

What you do now is up to you but personally I would never want to see, or spend any time with these people ever again.

Boomboom22 · 26/12/2023 16:10

Your mum sounds like a bullying child. I think she's your problem, sometimes nc is a good idea. Crazy lady, wtf? Putting gifts on your doorstep from years ago because what, gifts are always transnational? Where is the motherly love?

bearsbeets2 · 26/12/2023 16:13

I’m sorry OP, your family sound absolutely horrific. I would be going NC with them, do not contact them and definitely do not apologise!

peakygold · 26/12/2023 16:13

And to think, a couple of bits of tat from the pound shop could have avoided all of this unpleasantness. Family is family, however mad they are, and it's a lonely life without.

SisterMichaelsHabit · 26/12/2023 16:16

Let me guess, your mother either pushed you into "mental health help" from a young age to make damn sure you thought your reactions weren't ok (when they probably were) and tells everyone she meets about your diagnoses, or she denies you've got any mental illness at all because that takes attention away from your mother? They're two sides of the same narcissistic behaviour pattern.

Absolutely toxic, all of them, but especially your mother. The best thing you can do is not answer your door or phone to her and phone the police if she comes to the house, screaming at you in the street like that is harassment if she does it again. Block all of them, don't engage with them at all, walk away if you see them in the street, ring the police if they escalate it or harass you. If you're moving house any time soon don't give them your forwarding address.

These are bad people and they are not on your side at all.

unrsnblyannoyd · 26/12/2023 16:17

With absolute kindness (because my word you deserve it) don't you bl**dy dare apologise and take those gifts back! OP you are 100% not the problem here, they are. Unless you need to go back out, get your doors locked and snuggle up with a warm drink, soft pillow and your favourite book/TV programme/movie. Let her leave whatever she likes out there. Screaming and shouting? Open the window (preferably upstairs) tell her once to leave otherwise you will contact police then close the window. If she carries on then do contact the police. I would send a message along the lines of,
"I recall telling you regarding the presents. I am sorry that you don't recollect it. I'm even more sorry that you have reacted as you have. I think it best that we keep contact to a minimum for now whilst I decide whether I can get past this appalling behaviour. Please don't respond to this; I am sure that you will have any number of your own emotions but for now I am concentrating on mine. If you can't accept that then I will block communications." Then stick to it. Just as a final thought OP, I'm sure you're also mortified by your neighbours witnessing all this. I would be too. We have neighbours a few doors away with the ex-husband who frequently turns up screaming and shouting in the street. Yes we do talk about them. We talk about what an amazing Mum she is, what to drop in for them for Christmas and birthdays, and what a knobhead he is. So please put those worries to bed too :)

SisterMichaelsHabit · 26/12/2023 16:17

peakygold · 26/12/2023 16:13

And to think, a couple of bits of tat from the pound shop could have avoided all of this unpleasantness. Family is family, however mad they are, and it's a lonely life without.

Put the wine down, you're embarrassing yourself.

Gnomegnomegnome · 26/12/2023 16:19

peakygold · 26/12/2023 16:13

And to think, a couple of bits of tat from the pound shop could have avoided all of this unpleasantness. Family is family, however mad they are, and it's a lonely life without.

Are you the mum or one of the sisters?

EwwSprouts · 26/12/2023 16:24

Your family are deeply unpleasant. I too have gone to no gifts for adults if they have children I buy for. So some of my nephews get presents and some don't but their children do. My family response has been 'fair enough'.

StaunchMomma · 26/12/2023 16:29

Your family are clearly ignorant to the effects of ADHD & ASD on your mental health.

I say well done you for recognising when you're anxiety levels are rising and putting steps in place to manage them.

Don't try to make things better. Stay away for a while. Your family don't deserve to be chased and appeased. They have behaved terribly.

wronginalltherightways · 26/12/2023 16:30

Your family is awful.

I'm so sorry.

Tell them if they enter your property again, you will call the police as they are harassing you and you want nothing more to do with any of them. It may be enough to keep them away.