Young men hating women

[Maatandosiris]

Something I’ve been noticing is that young men (say under 30) are becoming increasingly misogynistic. Not in the old fashioned dirty old man way but very aggressively trying to take away women’s voices. Anything they can do to undermine you they will, whether it’s criticising politics, eating habits, looks, viewpoints. Any excuse to undermine women they jump on it (aided and abetted by some women I should add)

AIBU to wonder whether all the fighting for rights and equality has been pointless and young girls generally seem content to be treated like shit to the point I’m not sure many actually see the threat. How the hell did we get here? In the past week I’ve had a man gaslight me and try and undermine me in a discussion as a “rebel” for quoting the suffragettes, had a bunch of blokes gang up on me and chuck me off a forum for saying transrights need balancing with women’s rights followed by inaccurate allegations and ignored on a discussion simply because I was female. Not long ago I was told that the way to make things more female friendly was to make them less academic

We literally seem to be reverting back to women make yourself look pretty whilst listening to the views of the oh so intelligent men.

AIBU to think in20 years time women’s rights are going to dead unless women, inc young women start standing up to be counted.

I think you need to meet some men in the real world.

Are you saying men on the internet aren't a good example of society, @FrippEnos ? And what 'prejudiced views' of the OP would that be?

Todays generation of women have less rights than they did decades ago.

Really? What rights did women have 50 years ago that we don’t have now?

The rights to single sex spaces, for one. No one back then questioned it. They even had female only toilets and change rooms. We no longer (or not as much) have that. Some women are participating in society less because of that. It has a roll-on affect.

I've witnessed some very aggressive behaviour from young men to young women which I've found really disturbing. I don't remember ever having been spoken to in that way when I was 17 or so.

I very much hope I'm wrong but it's as if young girls seem to accept that men can treat them like that.

So that’s the best you can manage? Toilets.

Not our experience of our 20 year old and his friends/our son in law or nephews.

Get off SM.

Oh I know plenty of men in the real world, like I said upthread most of my friends are male. I generally get on better with men. But naturally most are of a similar age to me. So I come across younger men mainly online through mutual interests. There I have noticed a big difference in attitudes depending on ages.

You don't seem to understand. It's about safeguarding. It's about privacy. It's about dignity. And it affects all spaces; toilets, changerooms, womens shelters. Even the right to have a female only doctor. It affects absolutely every aspect of society.

OR, maybe social media allows these men to show what they really feel on social media behind a keyboard and that's when the real them comes out.

Ahh let's bring transrights into this and claim it'd men that are at fault 😒

I agree that MN could easily give the impression that all women hate men. There's some vile things like men with MH issues using them to control women, men who can't perform sexually should be dumped, it's ok to control men's money etc. Huge double standards a lot of the time

And the problem is that quotes from MN getting into incel spaces can fuel the fire, so to speak. "Look what women think of us".

There's certainly a rise in certain types of misogyny in some spheres but I'd say there's equally a rise in misandry in other spheres.

And women certainly don't have it worse than they did 50 years ago, wtf?

The difference is you know RL men your age, and only SM men who are younger.

You're drawing the wrong conclusion IMO.

Undoubtedly there is some backlash against feminism, but I don't think it is just young men, and there are many great young men.

Which aren't even JUST affecting women

Ah, the men-sympathisers and controller-apologisists are out in force...

Men in mens toilets and spaces don't affect men. Men in womens toilets and spaces affect women. Even women in mens toilets and spaces don't affect men because men aren't at risk from women. So, ONLY women are affected. Never the reverse.

And 'Misandry' isn't even a real thing. I've never come across a man-hater in my life. Reacting to men hating women and just wanting to hold onto some rights, does not mean we 'hate' men. That's preposterous.

I wish there was a block feature on MN

I'm not getting into the same argument with you again

You are one of the misandrists and make it easier for incels to stir up misogyny with your blatant double standards

You said men aren't at risk from women

Which is the biggest load of BS and ignorance

Oh, so women routinely rape men, do they? 3 men a week are murdered by women, are they?

You speak the biggest load of misogynistic ignorance and BS.

So do I so you would stop stalking me. I am not a 'misandrist'. You are one of the biggest, vile, and poisonous misogynists there is.

98% of all violence is by men. So stop this 'women are a risk to men' bullshit!!

I don’t see this viewpoint from young men at all. I do see loads and loads of men in their 40s+ doing this though. Especially in the comments sections of a woman’s post if she’s daring to do something they deem masculine.

You should join mumsnet.

They are one of the worst for posting vile comments about men tbh

MNers posting double standards are part of the problem because they give ammunition for those men who are looking for reasons to shut women down

"Look. We gave women a voice and they're turning on us. Beware"