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Young men hating women

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Maatandosiris · 05/09/2023 16:52

Something I’ve been noticing is that young men (say under 30) are becoming increasingly misogynistic. Not in the old fashioned dirty old man way but very aggressively trying to take away women’s voices. Anything they can do to undermine you they will, whether it’s criticising politics, eating habits, looks, viewpoints. Any excuse to undermine women they jump on it (aided and abetted by some women I should add)

AIBU to wonder whether all the fighting for rights and equality has been pointless and young girls generally seem content to be treated like shit to the point I’m not sure many actually see the threat. How the hell did we get here? In the past week I’ve had a man gaslight me and try and undermine me in a discussion as a “rebel” for quoting the suffragettes, had a bunch of blokes gang up on me and chuck me off a forum for saying transrights need balancing with women’s rights followed by inaccurate allegations and ignored on a discussion simply because I was female. Not long ago I was told that the way to make things more female friendly was to make them less academic

We literally seem to be reverting back to women make yourself look pretty whilst listening to the views of the oh so intelligent men.

AIBU to think in20 years time women’s rights are going to dead unless women, inc young women start standing up to be counted.

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GreekDogRescue · 20/05/2024 18:27

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 01/03/2024 21:31

Is it?

I thought recent research showed that women are becoming more liberated and left wing, and as this happens men are simultaneously becoming more right wing.

Tell me some ‘woke left’ men who are more dangerous than Andrew Tate?

I think it’s a bit simplistic to blame misogyny on the ‘far right’ or indeed the ‘far left’.
However the far left are the ones trying to ban women’s right to their own spaces and they also support men identifying as women being allowed to destroy women’s sports etc etc.

GreekDogRescue · 20/05/2024 18:33

AnObserverInThisDarkWorld · 06/09/2023 11:06

You said men aren't at risk from women

Which is the biggest load of BS and ignorance

Wow.
incel makes it onto Mumsnet.
Wouldn’t you be more comfortable on Andrew Tate’s ‘university’ forum?

Planesmistakenforstars · 20/05/2024 18:47

Why don’t all women stand up against them?

Sadly this is fairly easy to answer. Here is very small sample of why women don't want to upset men by standing up to them:

https://www.revolt.tv/article/2023-01-17/267326/darius-miles-allegedly-hurt-woman-for-rejecting-his-advances/

https://kysdc.com/3402376/the-man-who-allegedly-killed-mary-spears-after-she-rejected-him-has-been-charged-with-murder/

https://people.com/crime/woman-rejected-coworkers-advances-before-being-killed-next-day/

https://aldianews.com/en/politics/policy/take-no-answer

https://www.mylondon.news/news/zone-1-news/man-threatens-kill-london-woman-26293539

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ny-missouri-man-life-sentence-killing-women-rejected-him-20210417-wuj42f466zey3demzgqr6b3ram-story.html

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-teenage-girl-killed-brooklyn-party-rejected-advances-20221027-7hoyg5y6mrblxf45bbiputghki-story.html

https://nypost.com/2016/01/27/man-killed-woman-who-rejected-his-advances-at-a-bar-cops/

https://metro.co.uk/2016/12/21/man-killed-young-mum-before-raping-her-body-after-she-rejected-him-6338499/

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/aug/23/man-murdered-teenager-wales-lily-sullivan-lewis-haines

Mother of victim in alleged Darius Miles shooting says daughter died after rejecting romantic advances

“He was advancing on her and she declined his attention," DeCarla Cotton said of the incident involving Darius Miles.

https://www.revolt.tv/article/2023-01-17/267326/darius-miles-allegedly-hurt-woman-for-rejecting-his-advances/

WalrusOfLove · 20/05/2024 20:50

Sueveneers · 06/09/2023 13:47

When someone says they can't imagine anything worse than listening to womens hour, turns every thread into 'but women do that too', act as if women are even remotely a threat to men, suggesting men suiciding at a higher rate is because of women, suggesting women commit a third of DV, suggesting that courts favour the women (bullshit!!), and just has to make every thread into 'women do it too', shows an intense, INTENSE hatred of women and a need to derail and make men the victim. Misogyny is as misogyny does, and that poster who I believe is a male masquerading as a woman, is a MAJOR hater of women. Thankfully on those threads their vile misogyny is called out by others.

Edited

Tbf, contrary to public opinion, the vast bulk of data does suggest that women perpetrate DV more but that men cause more serious injury, most likely due to their greater strength. Most people seem entirely unaware of this.

It's only crime statistics that seem to show less male victims, but this is likely down to the fact men are much more ashamed to report abuse by women for fear of being seen as 'weak' - the charity Mankind says men are 2.5x less likely to report. It's a bit like how the low number of rape convictions don't show the full picture.

Here are a few studies I've shamelessly pinched from another thread. There are loads more if you follow the link.

From 2010 to 2012, scholars of domestic violence from the U.S., Canada and the U.K. assembled The Partner Abuse State of Knowledge, a research database covering 1700 peer-reviewed studies, the largest of its kind. Among its findings:[66]
- Rates of female-perpetrated violence are higher than male-perpetrated (28.3% vs. 21.6%).
- 57.9% of IPV reported was bi-directional, 13.8% was unidirectional male to female and 28.3% was unidirectional female to male.
- Male dating students are abused more than female dating students.
- Male and female IPV are perpetrated from similar motives.

The 2006 thirty-two nation International Dating Violence Study "revealed an overwhelming body of evidence that bidirectional violence is the predominant pattern of perpetration; and this ... indicates that the etimology of ipv is mostly parallel for men and women". The survey found for "any physical violence", a rate of 31.2%, of which 68.6% was bidirectional, 9.9% was perpetrated by men only, and 21.4% by women only. For severe assault, a rate of 10.8% was found, of which 54.8% was bidirectional, 15.7% perpetrated by men only, and 29.4% by women only.[40]

In 2000, John Archer conducted a meta-analysis of eighty-two IPV studies. He found that "women were slightly more likely than men to use one or more acts of physical aggression and to use such acts more frequently. Men were more likely to inflict an injury, and overall, 62% of those injured by a partner were women."[76]

In New Zealand, the twenty-one year Dunedin Multidisciplinary Health and Development Study, published in 1999, reported that of their sample of 1,037 people, 27% of women and 34% of men reported being physically abused by a partner, with 37% of women and 22% of men reporting they had perpetrated intimate partner violence.[39]

Some men fear that if they do report to the police, they will be assumed to be the abuser, and placed under arrest.[26][27] Some male victims fear that people will assume that the woman is the real victim, and must have been acting in self-defense or retaliating for abuse.[8][28]

Surveys have indicated small proportions of men (less than 20% of victims) will tell the police or a health professional about their victimization. This is perhaps due to well-grounded fears that they will be scorned, ridiculed, or disbelieved by these authorities. A recent research paper by Dr. Elizabeth Bates from the University of Cumbria found that a common experience for male intimate partner violence victims was that no one believed them, or were responded to by laughter, including the police.[10]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domesticviolence_against_men

Domestic violence against men - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence_against_men

WalrusOfLove · 20/05/2024 21:02

I've found the original post with all the studies. I've not edited it so may be some overlap with my previous post....

The theory that women perpetrate intimate partner violence at roughly similar rates as men has been termed "gender symmetry". The earliest empirical evidence of gender symmetry was presented in the 1975 U.S. National Family Violence Survey carried out by Murray A. Straus and Richard J. Gelles on a nationally representative sample of 2,146 "intact families". The survey found 11.6% of women and 12% of men had experienced some kind of intimate partner violence in the last twelve months, also 4.6% of men and 3.8% of women had experienced "severe" intimate partner violence.

Since 1975, numerous other empirical studies have found evidence of gender symmetry in intimate partner violence. For example, in the United States, the National Comorbidity Study of 1990-1992 found 18.4% of men and 17.4% of women had experienced minor intimate partner violence, and 5.5% of men and 6.5% of women had experienced severe intimate partner violence.[48][49]

In England and Wales, the 1995 "Home Office Research Study 191" found that in the twelve months prior to the survey, 4.2% of both men and woman between the ages of 16 and 59 had been assaulted by an intimate.[50]

The Canadian General Social Survey of 2000 found that from 1994 to 1999, 4% of men and 4% of women had experienced intimate partner violence in a relationship in which they were still involved, 22% of men and 28% of women had experienced intimate partner violence in a relationship which had now ended, and 7% of men and 8% of women had experienced intimate partner violence across all relationships, past and present.[35]

The 2005 Canadian General Social Survey, looking at the years 1999–2004 found similar data; 4% of men and 3% of women had experienced intimate partner violence in a relationship in which they were still involved, 16% of men and 21% of women had experienced intimate partner violence in a relationship which had now ended, and 6% of men and 7% of women had experienced intimate partner violence across all relationships, past and present.[36]

The 1975 National Family Violence Survey found that 27.7% of intimate partner violence cases were perpetrated by men alone, 22.7% by women alone and 49.5% were bidirectional. In order to counteract claims that the reporting data was skewed, female-only surveys were conducted, asking females to self-report, resulting in almost identical data.[52]

The 1985 National Family Violence Survey found 25.9% of IPV cases perpetrated by men alone, 25.5% by women alone, and 48.6% were bidirectional.[53]

A study conducted in 2007 by Daniel J. Whitaker, Tadesse Haileyesus, Monica Swahn, and Linda S. Saltzman, of 11,370 heterosexual U.S. adults aged 18 to 28 found that 24% of all relationships had some violence. Of those relationships, 49.7% of them had reciprocal violence. In relationships without reciprocal violence, women committed 70% of all violence.

In 1997, Philip W. Cook conducted a study of 55,000 members of the United States Armed Forces, finding bidirectionality in 60-64% of intimate partner violence cases, as reported by both men and women.[55]

The 2001 National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health found that 49.7% of intimate partner violence cases were reciprocal and 50.3% were non-reciprocal. When data provided by men only was analyzed, 46.9% of cases were reported as reciprocal and 53.1% as non-reciprocal. When data provided by women only was analyzed, 51.3% of cases were reported as reciprocal and 49.7% as non-reciprocal. The overall data showed 70.7% of non-reciprocal intimate partner violence cases were perpetrated by women only (74.9% when reported by men; 67.7% when reported by women) and 29.3% were perpetrated by men only (25.1% when reported by men; 32.3% when reported by women).[56]

The 2006 thirty-two nation International Dating Violence Study "revealed an overwhelming body of evidence that bidirectional violence is the predominant pattern of perpetration; and this ... indicates that the etiology of ipv is mostly parallel for men and women". The survey found for "any physical violence", a rate of 31.2%, of which 68.6% was bidirectional, 9.9% was perpetrated by men only, and 21.4% by women only. For severe assault, a rate of 10.8% was found, of which 54.8% was bidirectional, 15.7% perpetrated by men only, and 29.4% by women only.[57]

In 2000, John Archer conducted a meta-analysis of eighty-two IPV studies. He found that "women were slightly more likely than men to use one or more acts of physical aggression and to use such acts more frequently. Men were more likely to inflict an injury, and overall, 62% of those injured by a partner were women."[58] By contrast, the U.S. Department of Justice finds that women make up 84% of spouse abuse victims and 86% of victims of abuse by a boyfriend or girlfriend.[59]

  • Rates of female-perpetrated violence are higher than male-perpetrated (28.3% vs. 21.6%).
  • Male and female IPV are perpetrated from similar motives.
  • Studies comparing men and women in the power/control motive have mixed results overall.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence_against_men#:~:text=The%20theory%20that%20women%20perpetrate,Straus%20and%20Richard%20J.
Valeriekat · 22/05/2024 09:43

LlynTegid · 05/09/2023 18:05

Look at some of the examples young men have. Several high profile footballers (look at two at Manchester United as examples), some male musicians, a few film stars, and a recent Prime Minister and former US President.

Apparently the former PM is NOT a misogynist and would probably be best described as a serial monogamist.

BIossomtoes · 22/05/2024 13:20

Tell Marina Wheeler that.

EmilyTjP · 22/05/2024 13:37

I think this is an internet thing. Get off social media/internet and walk around and you’ll see the real world isn’t like this.

SallyWD · 22/05/2024 16:27

EmilyTjP · 22/05/2024 13:37

I think this is an internet thing. Get off social media/internet and walk around and you’ll see the real world isn’t like this.

My thoughts exactly. It doesn't reflect what I experience in real life at all. I work at a university and deal with young men of all nationalities. They are, almost without exception, very pleasant and polite to me.

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