What is a woman?

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Rishi tonight on talk TV

piers 'what is a woman?'

Rishi 'an adult human female!'

Fffsssss Starmer wake the bastard fuck up!!!!!!!

Seriously now read the bloody room!!!!! I want to vote Labour again please

The problem is Labour would only be saying it to get votes.
I don't think they actually understand what the issue is.

The problem is Labour would only be saying it to get votes.

And that is something they don't appear to want at all.

yep

Condescending plank is about right

Omg.valdmirs Pootin I can't believe you implied that being poor and having nothing means you don't value your rights!

Often they are all we have left when everything else is taken from.us!

However I think it's a reflection of the parties understanding sadly.

To be fair I don't think it's as easy for Kier as for Rishi. Rishi can say that because most of his voter base are broadly conservative (small c).

Whereas if Kier said that, yes he would gain some votes but he would also lose plenty. Many of my broadly left wing friends and colleagues have pronouns on emails etc. Would he win more votes than he loses? Would it lose Labour the election? I don't think we know.

100% agree with you Vlad, I've been saying it on here for ages. It's a nice soundbite for people who don't have the balls to say they vote Tory as it aligns with what suits their personal interests best and to hell with anyone less fortunate.
I agree the issue with men encroaching on women's spaces is important, but the effect it has on society is very small compared to the wider issues women face- feeding their kids, cost of childcare, lack of child support, pay gaps, teachers and nurses and carers who are mostly women working in shitty conditions, lack of SEN support (which affects mostly women as they are the ones generally dealing with the fallout), poor matenal care, especially for black women. I could go on. Some women on here need to pull their head out of their arses.

Isn't the conservative leader of the commons Penny "trans women are women" Mordaunt?

You're fawning over a slogan. Never mind what he's SAYING; what is he DOING to protect and enrich women & girls? I really despair over how easily pleased some people are. It's so dangerous. We need ACTION.

This government is setting fire to EU legislation like maternity rights, and you're lapping up some vacuous, empty phrases. He is NOT your friend. He's saying what you want to hear in the hope you'll leave the government alone and take your focus away from actual policy and action. He's buying time. Don't fall for it.

We need action!!!

Too fucking right we do love tell your mate Kier to step the fuck up snd decide what is a woman!!

Don't lecture feminists on here sort Labour out. He routed the anti semites now it's time to expell the mysogynists

Maybe Rishi sees a future where women all identify as men and become impossible to oppress.

@VladmirsPoutine absolutely. There are posters on here who are very much I'm alright jack. Life's great in tory britain and being GC is their pet hobby because they've nowt else to worry about.

Quite. This is huge. I think we are close to the tide finally turning. Until a few days ago I seriously feared that female identity could be fundamentally eroded. The shit women have had to put up with in recent years is totally bizarre and yet incredibly dangerous.

The Adam Graham case and Sturgeon's carcrash interview represent a watershed, and Sunak has clearly determined which way the wind is blowing. It'll be interesting to see how Starmer responds.

@Stasiland You can't organise safeguarding or services based on 'gender'.
You may be confident that you'll never need a domestic violence shelter, or rape crisis support, or spend time on a psychiatric ward or prison; but other more vulnerable women are less lucky than you.

Considering all the rest of the crap going on in this country does it really matter how Rishi describes what a woman is 🙄

What the actual fuck lmao. Think you've got me mixed up with someone else, "love", but go ahead if it makes you feel successful.

I'm not aligned to any political party or individual, thanks. I don't believe in picking sides between the red team and the blue team, and I'm not responsible for what any party or individual does.

Sunak is in charge so it's on him to DO THINGS now and not just spout catchphrases. If said catchphrases are good enough for you then I'm happy for you and your world, but it means jack shit offline for millions of women and girls suffering or at risk right now.

No Y chromosome

Even though they are corrupt and rubbish at governing?

You don't care?

So you are okay with any fully intact male being able to declare that they are a woman, and be allowed to invade female single sex facilities, be they toilets, hospital wards, prisons, etc?

Really?

Considering all the rest of the crap going on in this country does it really matter how Rishi describes what a woman is 🙄

It really does, if you can’t define it you can’t defend it and you can’t protect it. Redefining what a women is (as in you can be a woman if you say you are) effectively removes the Genuine Occupational Requirement clause if employment legislation, it means male bodied people in women’s private spaces, it means a woman can be raped in hospital and have that rape consistently denied by authorities on the basis that there no men in the hospital, it means sex offenders housed in female prisons, it means women who have trained for years in their chosen sport don’t get to compete at the highest level, it means male bodied people in domestic abuse refuges, it means women being told to “reframe their trauma”, it means schools colluding with primary aged children setting them on a path leading to life changing medical intervention without their parents knowledge much less their consent. And much, much more.

You may be ok with that, but I’m not so yes it really does matter that our prime minister can accurately define what a woman is.

Yes. I have a very elderly mother. If she needs a carer in the future, I want to be confident that we can specify that she needs a female carer and that's what we get. Almost all sexual offences are committed by males. Most men are safe, but some aren't, and you can't tell by looking at them, so the safest thing is to exclude all males to protect women's safety, dignity and privacy. See also: public toilets, changing rooms, hospital wards, smear tests, prisons.

Pity he doesn't know what the NHS is.

This debate is all about power. For men.