What is a woman?

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Rishi tonight on talk TV

piers 'what is a woman?'

Rishi 'an adult human female!'

Fffsssss Starmer wake the bastard fuck up!!!!!!!

Seriously now read the bloody room!!!!! I want to vote Labour again please

I'm glad he said this. He showed guts and courage in this crazy day and age (whatever his motives)

Who, with any common sense, is going to vote for such a misogynistic party?!

So which party is not misogynistic enough for you to vote for ?

I think we need more men to act like this an stop behaving like whimps

NONE.

That is the problem.

Why should women vote for any party that doesn't recognise them as fully human?

The Labour Party should be ensuring it gains every possible vote to get the Tories out, instead it is bowing down to a powerful lobby group and selling women out.

Labour making it easy to see their different belief on this issue.

Gender lies aren’t in favour with women.

As I said, many women will just not vote, but particularly not for one whose own female MPs are calling out the misogyny.

It is a pressing subject when womens rights are being eroded !

if this can happen what else will follow ?

in Norway they only recognise gender not sex now . Legally

Finland has passed a law enabling trans people to change their legal gender by self-declaration.

It joins Ireland, Argentina, Denmark, Portugal + many more countries that have demedicalised the process, with no detrimental impact on women’s rights.

Time for the UK to follow.

Pathetic argument. 'So and so' have done it, so it's time for us to do it too 😡

I feel this resistance to discussing the elephant in the room ie a man can't be a woman snd and those with cocks are a potential danger to women. This resistance from Labour reminds me of the denial of systemic anti semitism.
Very very frustrating

in Norway they only recognise gender not sex now . Legally

In Norway a Lesbian is facing a 3 year jail term for stating that men can't be Lesbians.

genevievegluck.substack.com/p/norwegian-feminist-facing-up-to-three

This has happened under laws similar to the ones that the Labour Party wants to introduce.

No impact on women apparently. Nothing to see here.

What ! There has just been a case where the judge said it was wrong to have gender neutral toilets with no other choice available . Gosh my poor poor mum would have been mortified if faced with that .

IME the middle class lefties obsessed with gender/other identity ideologies don't give a shit about WC women or men. It is however a fabulous bit of virtue signalling and noise which doesn't end up requiring their own lives to change in ways they worry about, especially if they undermine Labour's electoral position. It suits a lot of middle class lefty liberals to be in permanent opposition.

My experience of Labour in the 80s was a lot lik ghosty's - plenty of big words and horizontal recruiting which saw young women, especially young minority women as a perk of the post for officials (who told me at great length just how much they supported black/women/gay rights but the time just wasn't right then - it would all come with the greater struggle). As an actual WC minority woman at that time I was both

However alongside that there were also other people like me, people who I did trust and who I could work with and did so for decades. People who didn't wheel me out as the token WC "ethnic" and then ignore me (this happens in all parties).
I've doorstepped and campaigned for Labour through good, bad and and indifferent leadership but over the last few years I've ceased to recognise my local party which is entirely captured by identity zealots. They are not interested in WC issues other than as virtue signalling noise.

So I've shifted my efforts to do more in direct action such as refuge support, foodbank support and education support for minority women. For me this isn't just about "what is a woman" its also about Labour's own class struggle.

It’s a parallel world .

So if women don't like these things that are happening now as a result of a lobby group misrepresenting the law, they should vote Labour who will make sure that laws are passed to cement in law that any man can be a woman because he says so?

Not following your logic at all

Im not saying vote labour im saying how hypocritical and basically very silly to suggest because of "womens rights" you will vote Tory. Anyone who truly cares about women's right would not vote a party in that are proving they are allowing these things to happen. Not they might do in 2 years time, NOW

Going on the TV saying the right things to appease the voters while still shafting us is BS that everyone is buying.

We need to hold this government to account for what they are doing and not keep helping them continue to deminish our rights by "looking the other way" and shouting about a party that cant even change anything yet.

Every thread should be this government is still shafting us, thats not on !!!
Not clapping someone for doing it 😡

They are showing you who they are, believe them !

Ok so, currently all our rights are being diminished. Fact whether it's law or not, it is happening, no matter whats in law they are allowing this to happen and everyone is shouting about bloody starmer, its ridiculous.

I would say the same no matter who was in power. Im not Tory bashing im government bashing

Im not saying vote labour im saying how hypocritical and basically very silly to suggest because of "womens rights" you will vote Tory

I'm not seeing people on here saying they are going to vote Tory. It's exasperation that there is no party to vote for that I'm seeing.

Me too

When Starmer uttered his ridiculous nonsense a few months ago it was obvious this would be be a problem for Labour

If Starmer is confused on what a woman is how can he be trusted running the country is the narrative that will be fed to voters

Starmer handed it to the Tories on a plate something his predecessor was very skilled at.

once again Labour not learning from their mistakes 🙄

I'll be voting Tory because Starmer wants men in my toilets.

Starmer wants men in my changing rooms.

Starmer wants men in my sports.

It's a disgrace.

Well I wouldn't blame anyone for not saying they vote Tory on here. They'll get slaughtered.

But plenty of people do, so perhaps we should look at why. I don't think the women's rights issue is driving the general population.

Ha! This is what people say when want to justify continuing to vote Labour when their leader remains unable to even speak the most fundamental words 'adult human female'

I agree that it's being used as a distraction, and it's bloody well working.

It's women that are bearing the brunt of the effects of Tory austerity (more likely to be on low incomes, be single parents, need hospital appointments etc), but everyone's getting in a froth about possibly being in a changing room with a transwoman.

I've got trans colleagues, of both genders, and have had trans clients. And if any of them are a risk to women, I'd be absolutely gobsmacked.

I've got trans colleagues, of both genders, and have had trans clients. And if any of them are a risk to women, I'd be absolutely gobsmacked.

It's not about each individual. I also know some trans people and I'm very sure they're no risk either. My husband is no risk to women but he doesn't belong in a female space either and nor is he offended by this.

But plenty of people do, so perhaps we should look at why. I don't think the women's rights issue is driving the general population.

Yes but that's for another discussion, this thread is specifically about the meaning of the word woman, which the Labour Party says includes men.

I've got trans colleagues, of both genders, and have had trans clients. And if any of them are a risk to women, I'd be absolutely gobsmacked.

Presumably the lovely trans people you know understand then why retaining sex based rights is essential for women to participate fully in society and that sex and gender are two separate things?

Any male who imposes themselves on women's spaces without consent is predatory. Women haven't consented to men in our sports, single sex spaces, women's refuges, women's rape crisis centres and prisons.

Most lovely trans people would also urge children to exercise caution when it comes to pathways which will ultimately render them infertile and unable to orgasm.

This is what pisses me off about Labour. What happened to "for the many not the few", yet they're happy to alienate a huge swathe of potential voters to support a tiny minority group. Idiots