What is a woman?

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Rishi tonight on talk TV

piers 'what is a woman?'

Rishi 'an adult human female!'

Fffsssss Starmer wake the bastard fuck up!!!!!!!

Seriously now read the bloody room!!!!! I want to vote Labour again please

@MaryBCHR yes, and as a former barrister I don’t believe this is accidental - he’s perfectly capable of using precise and correct language

It's entirely deliberate.

He's trying to appease women whilst sticking up for the boys.

The LP is ideologically tied to TWAW.

Which is why I can't vote for them.

Finally. Someone speaks sense. Shame it had to be Rishi, but at least someone said it.

It's entirely deliberate.

He's trying to appease women whilst sticking up for the boys.

The LP is ideologically tied to TWAW.

Which is why I can't vote for them.

Agreed. It is deliberate, and tricky too.

He isn’t just a down the line, straight talking, innocent-voiced, modest and unassuming good guy.

And his apparent passivity is becoming unpleasant.

Yeh you’re right. Untrustworthy and opaque

Of course it's deliberate. The question is why he's trying to obfuscate a perfectly straightforward issue. What agenda benefits from that?

Well it's not women who benefit from it.

He is a lawyer he is perfectly aware that Lady Haldene's judgement states that Sex in the Equality Act means both biological and legal sex.

He can say he supports single sex spaces whilst knowing that this means that those who obtain a GRC under a speeded up process which he plans to introduce have the legal sex of woman.

So women who don't know this will assume he means he will keep males out of women's spaces when in fact he means he will make it even easier for men to invade single sex spaces.

They are weasel words that remove women's rights. He is being very deliberately dishonest.

He can say he supports single sex spaces whilst knowing that this means that those who obtain a GRC under a speeded up process which he plans to introduce have the legal sex of woman.

Yes, and he even admitted it in a tricky-for-most -people to understand, back to front way, when he said “for 99.9% of ‘women’ it is about biology”.

e.g. For the remaining 0.1% (of over 30million of the population ) whom he includes in the classification, ‘women’, it is not about biology.

In other words, the words he is not saying out loud to the public, the 0.1% of 30 million he is classing as women, are actually men biologically. ( n.b. most have intact genitalia.)

As women, he most surely would consider they are allowed in what he intentionally calls “safe spaces” rather than the sex based spaces mentioned in law.

Apropos of this, please consider signing and sharing this petition to Parliament to update the Equality Act to make clear the protected characteristic “sex” is biological, not sex as modified by a GRC or gender reassignment.

This way the exemptions allowing for certain male excluding, sex based spaces
for women and girls can be legally supported.

To sign and share⬇️
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/623243

Does anyone remember the Darwinism vs Creationism issue about10/12 years ago?

Over here in UK we gave those Ideologues short shrift; refused to teach Creationism in state schools (because it was not even a Theory and science teachers would have none of it) and our Government was barely involved.

That was a practice run for this, wasn't it?

Last march, Yvette Cooper, the labour Shadow Home Secretary told Times Radio-when asked if she could define a woman, replied that she, " would not be going down that rabbit hole." She was asked three times. She refused to define a woman three times.

The day before, Anneliese Dodds-Labour's Spokesperson for Equalities was asked the same question. She replied that the definition of a woman, "depended on context."

These women, along with Nicola Sturgeon and others of their ilk, are a disgrace and no woman should ever ever vote for the party that they represent even if they are giving away a free twenty quid, a sandwich and a rainbow coloured unicorn for every vote they get.

Any woman who does is a turkey voting for Christmas.

Any woman who does is a turkey voting for Christmas

If you look at the bios of some of the women doing this, they seem extremely resentful and vindictive. It's dangerous to have people like these in positions of power (men or women)

Any woman who does is a turkey voting for Christmas.
Nah, any women voting for Tories because they think they're good for women are the turkeys voting for Christmas

Well that entirely depends on whether you consider that women exist as a sex class independently of males who identify as women or not.

I'm fairly certain from reading your posts on other threads that you don't.

There are many reasons not to vote Tory, but if you prioritise women’s safety, privacy and dignity above everything else, there is a very good reason to do so as nobody else is doing this.
I am utterly devastated that the leader of the Labour party is having nothing to do with Labour Women’s Declaration and is pursuing the unscientific and dangerous gender ideology policy that was adopted before the last general election. How can a married man with a daughter say he does not know what a woman is?!!!
Lisa Nandy has a similar position to Nicola Sturgeon regarding women prisons, yet has had no pushback from the press.
I don’t know how Rosie Duffield copes with all the vitriol thrown at her when all she is doing is standing up for women in a misogynistic world.

What's a woman?

I don't think any of our political parties are 'good for women', but some seem to be going out of their way to be gratuitously bad for us.

Any party who refuses to define a woman as an adult human female cannot have the interests of women as part of their philosophy because they are denying their voice, their needs and existence. Therefore no matter what individual policies are these can never have the interests of women at their heart as they are denying their very existence at the route of their ideology. Labour are a party run by men for men.

until their leadership can stand up and state women are adult human females we have to assume they are fully captured by an ideology which believes the needs of less than a quarter of 1% override the needs of 51% of the population who are female and the needs of all children. No one can vote for them in good conscience.

Unfortunately it doesn’t do much good saying what a woman is but not getting the law clear enough so that women and girls have the clear right to sex based spaces backed up in law.

The Government response following the first 10,000 signatures to the petition to Update the Equality Act to make clear the characteristic “sex “ is biological, has been to say it is already clear.

That response is not good enough. In practice it is not clear, and the law is muddied.

Watch this video clip to see how unclear it all is at present:

twitter.com/sexmattersorg/status/1620785398908850176/mediaviewer
twitter.com/SexMattersOrg/status/1620785398908850176/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1620785398908850176
( from Sex Matters where you can see more)

Please sign & share to protect single sex spaces
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/623243

I agree. I think that petition is a useful first step, and the next step is to compel providers to offer single sex services where appropriate - where people are vulnerable, asleep, or undressed.

Rishi is based!! Love it

A biological woman is an adult human female who has XX chromosomes. They may then choose to identify differently but they are still genetically female and therefore a biological woman.

Biological males can have surgery to present as appearing outwardly female but are not women. They are trans women as they do not contain the correct biological body parts or chromosomes to be women.

No one is going to vote Tory just because of this statement. To suggest women would is very demeaning

speeded up process

The speeded up and cheaper process has just been brought in by the Tories hasn’t it?

Of course a woman is an adult human female. Easy to say and no one can deny.

That doesn’t change the fact that people are changing their legal sex. Some people are changing their physical characteristics and being recognised and treated as the opposite sex every day. Everywhere. In pretty much every country.

At least there is a medically informed legal process - it’s the tories who tried to bring in self ID.

It’s medically informed now but yes Labour will make it easier