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Husband poor personal hygiene

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husbandsmellshelp · 16/03/2022 09:01

I am really struggling with my husbands lack of personal hygiene and it is starting to make me quite angry!

He refuses to use deodorant and I have to prompt him to shower. Currently he has not had a shower for four or five days, I have said a few times over the past few days that he is starting to smell of BO and he still hasn’t had a shower. I have told him he needs to shower every day and wear clean clothes, he doesn’t. He will walk around with close covered in stains, he works from home most of the time. On the days he goes into the office I have to stand over him and make sure he is choosing clean smart clothing and that he has a wash, a shave, brushes his teeth properly… I know it sounds like I’m making it up but I’m not!

He has very thick curly hair and does not wash his scalp properly and it smells. I have bought him a silicone scalp scrubber, I bought him clarifying shampoo. I don’t think he uses them.

He’s been wearing the same clothes for a couple of days.

He doesn’t clean his teeth properly, I have observed this and he literally puts the brush in his mouth for 10 seconds gives a quick swoosh around, spits and off he goes. I’ve told him he needs to brush his teeth for a couple of minutes many many times…… His breath really smells and it smells like plaque, I don’t think he has had a scale and polish in a few years. He has been telling me recently he has bleeding gums… No wonder!

We moved house awhile ago and are still on a waiting list for a new dentist on the NHS, but he could afford to go for a private scale and polish as I have done. I have suggested this many times and he won’t do it.

He asked me to look in his ears with a special otoscope that I bought recently (at one point I thought I had a perforated eardrum and I couldn’t get a doctor’s appointment), they are completely blocked with brown waxy plugs. I sent him details of somewhere in our closest town that does your irrigation cleaning, he hasn’t made an appointment and I doubt he will. I can’t be bothered to remind him anymore! I do think his ears smell also. His ears and nose also have lots of thick long hair is coming out of them, he doesn’t do anything about it.

I have to prompt him to cut his nails because they end up long and dirty. Quite often his hands smell because he scratches his balls and his arse and doesn’t wash his hands!

We do not share a bed anymore, he snores terribly but also I don’t want to be near him because he smells. I won’t use a pillow he has used because it smells of musty old hair sebum!

I could go on… I think his mother had mental health problems and his dad died when he was quite young so he probably was never taught how to have proper standards for hygiene. The only reason he has any clean clothes because I wash them! He will wear clothes until they are literally rags and I throw them away and use his money to buy him new ones.

I think you may have undiagnosed ADD, he was in a special-needs class at school in the late 70s because he couldn’t pay attention, and he is still very forgetful and wonders off halfway through a conversation etc. Obviously I’m not a mental health professional but I wonder if these traits contribute.

What is making me angry is that I am constantly prompting him and telling that he smells, he ignores me. I find it quite disrespectful. He went through a phase of being quite angry with me for not wanting to hug him or get close to him or kiss him. He seems to have given up and is no longer angry and no longer tries to get close to me. I did to tell him clearly many times over the past few years why I don’t want to get close to him! We have not had sex in three years, I cannot bear the thought of being physically close to him or kissing him.

He is actually a very nice man, but I’m seriously thinking I’m going to have to and things over this. This will be a real shame because we have two little girls.

I don't know where to go from here.

OP posts:
TrooBloo · 16/03/2022 11:35

Has he always been this way or is it new?

Candleabra · 16/03/2022 11:41

Ew.
Ultimatum required here I’m afraid. I certainly wouldn’t be taking on responsibility for his grooming. Agree there are bigger issues going on here but that doesn’t make them your problem to sort out.

StooOrangeyForCrows · 16/03/2022 11:43

I would call it a day now. You have tried. It hasn't worked. This would be grounds for divorce and then you no longer have to be his carer.

Whether you would ever be able to hand your DDs over to him is an altogether different question.

TheSoapyFrog · 16/03/2022 11:43

Has he always been like this or is it recent?
It could well be ASD and/or ADHD. I have ADHD and struggle with personal hygiene due to executive dysfunction. I often completely forget to brush my teeth, sometimes for days at a time. It just doesn't occur to me. Sometimes the thought of having a bath and washing my hair is overwhelming. It's too much effort and I can't bring myself to do it.
If it's ASD, there may be sensory issues attached. Some kind stand the feeling of being wet or the taste of toothpaste.

I can imagine it's hideous to live with though. And frustrating that he knows it's unpleasant for you, but doesn't do anything to help.

If he isn't willing to seek help and make changes, you have to decide if it's something you can learn to tolerate, or if maybe it's time to call it a day.

Teadrinker11 · 16/03/2022 11:43

Is this a new thing or been going on a while? How's his mental health? Lack of personal hygiene is sometimes linked to depression.

abigailsnan · 16/03/2022 11:44

He is a really nice man actually I think not !! how on earth do you cope with this.

BeforeGodAndAllTheFish · 16/03/2022 11:49

If you dont have children then leaving is very very easy.

Just go. Get it over with now. A few hard weeks and a bit of a pain with all the legal stuff but then it's done and you have an entire life to live. You only get one life and really, there are more men out there. I dont understand why you have stayed in an unhappy, sexless marriage with someone you find disgusting. And he is. He is dirty and smelly and he isnt your job to fix. Just go.

Aquamarine1029 · 16/03/2022 11:52

How can you allow your daughters to grow up in such a toxic, dysfunctional environment? This is such a horrible example for them.

billy1966 · 16/03/2022 11:54

OP,

Cut your losses and those of your children.

That was hard to read, so I can't imagine what it must be like to live with.

He is not a project for you to spend your life fixing.

Start organising yourself and get out.

52andblue · 16/03/2022 11:55

I'd echo what @gowithme says. My son is 18 and really struggles with personal hygiene. 1st, he simply doesn't Notice. 2nd: its not high on his list of priorities (he cares more about Gravity theory). 3rd: he has sensory probs: showers feel 'bitey', he hates cold wet skin, forgets to use shampoo, doesn't rinse it properly etc. 4th: he feels a failure if he's nagged about it so he 'tunes out' He's made Lots of progress but its taken Lots of patience. Now, my son is dx'd Autistic & your husband may not be ASD at all. But if he is, AND he didn't have support growing up, I can well imagine his hygiene is the disaster you describe. Whether you feel you are able/ willing to 're-parent' him through this is your choice as it won't be quick/ 100% successful. I guess it depends if your marriage feels 'worth it' in other ways as well. One of the reasons I'm so determined to help my son improve this is a. bullying / employment but b. Because I don't want it interfering with his chances of a loving relationship which includes intimacy the way it does in your marriage at present.

PeanuttyButter · 16/03/2022 12:07

He needs to sort himself off or you need to live seperate. This is disgusting behaviour, do you think he's ignorant to it or do you think he just doesn't care? The teeth brushing would be the end for me to be honest.

WTF475878237NC · 16/03/2022 12:22

I'd be extremely angry about his behaviour. It's not OK to behave like a decent human being when you're dating and then no longer give a shit about any kind of standards once married.

Preppers · 16/03/2022 12:24

OP I feel sorry that you find yourself in this situation.

Is this change recent? I wonder if he is depressed.

My friend's husband lost his dad who he was really close. He found it difficult to get out of bed and take care of himself. I know that he went on medication for a while. Things did improve eventually.

ofwarren · 16/03/2022 12:28

I'm sorry but why do posters always jump to ASD?
Surely he must have been OK when you first met him?
Men are not dirty and lazy because they are on the spectrum ffs.

Goldenharp · 16/03/2022 12:29

I should just like to say I have ADHD and ASD family members. They shower every day, clean their teeth twice a day and so on. Sometimes they get really annoyed about awful behaviour being put down to ADHD and ASD when it is really just awful behaviour.

He is competent enough to hold down a job. You have made it quite plain what is required to make you happy in this relationship - a reasonable level of hygiene. He knows that and chooses to ignore it.

Presumably when you were going out with your husband initially he wasn't in this sort of state? I mean you'd hardly sign up for a second date if he was casually standing there in dirty clothes not having showered for five days scratching his testicles, exhaling his putrid breath, nostrils hairs poking out and with body odour seeping out of every pore.

DockOTheBay · 16/03/2022 12:30

The advice about ADD, ADLSD, etc is all well and good but, OP, you are not obliged to 'fix' him (not that neurodivergence needs 'fixing', I mean fix in terms of making him into husband you need/deserve). It is not your responsibility to take charge of his hygiene routine, take charge of his grooming, or help him to see that this is not an acceptable way to live and you should not feel like you have to put up with it because he is somehow helpless.

Yeah, this. Why should OP have to live with a husband who stinks and embarasses her because he might have ASD or other condition? And if this was the case, why has it started happening since they got married - I assume he hasn't always been like this, or she wouldn't have married him. He is unlikely to have developed ASD and/or sensory issues related to washing as an adult.

Marvellousmadness · 16/03/2022 12:31

Currently he has not had a shower for four or five days

Eeeeeeeeek

Its ultimatum time op
Come on!

husbandsmellshelp · 16/03/2022 12:33

Sorry for the radio silence, I've had my hands full with my youngest all morning.

To answer a few things that have been raised:

He has not always been like this. I've always been aware that he was a bit "scatterbrained" but his personal hygiene was never this bad. It seems to have gotten worse the longer we have been together… Certainly a lot worse since having children. He will often claim that he has no time for personal hygiene, but then how do I manage?! I do a lot of my personal-care at night after the children have gone to bed, my husband prefers to sit and watch telly or look on his phone. Which is fine, assuming you've got the basics in order.

He absolutely will not go to the doctor about this, I have tried and tried . I have tried to be kind, I have tried being direct, I have even got angry. He accuses me of pathologising him and being cruel… I definitely have never been cruel. It is very difficult to tell somebody that they smell, it's not a nice thing to have to say to somebody, if I tried to lightly the message doesn't get across, if I am more direct then he takes offence.

What am I getting out of this? He is a very loving and daughter and father and my daughters absolutely love him, I don't really want to rip the family apart… My own parents divorced when my mother had an affair and she married an absolutely horrible man who I had to live with. I always missed my dad… I suppose I'm scared of inflicting a lot of pain upon my husband and children.

He has a brother who is alive but they don't really talk, both of his parents are dead. I wonder that he would end up being very alone and very messed up.

I have even tried giving him a long list of things that he needs to do every day, and things he needs to do every week, and he ignores it! I'm not sure if there are sensory issues here, he doesn't seem to dislike being in the shower, or dislike brushing his teeth, just he is out of the habit of doing it/it doesn't Occur to him to do it/he is very lazy.

The other thing about him going to the GP is that I'm not sure what this would actually achieve (don't get me wrong, I think he should go) but other than giving him strategies like having a routine of personal hygiene to stick to (which I have tried to implement myself!) I'm not sure what a diagnosis would actually do for a 51-year-old? That doesn't mean I haven't asked him to go, I have, and he won't.

I feel utterly miserable and lonely. I don't want to sleep in separate beds, I don't want to recoil in horror when somebody comes towards me for a hug, not that he's even tried Recently because he knows what reaction he will get.

But at the same time, I don't want to rip my family apart. We have only just moved house a few months ago… My children are quite settled… I don't want to do to them with my mother did to me. It is difficult because he is not abusive, he doesn't shout, he's not mean, he's lovely to the children… But it is like having a third child. A smelly teenage boy child that needs constant reminders. Having two young children is enough!

Thank you for all the advice, I hope people to be sympathetic to the reasons why I haven't LTB yet!

OP posts:
husbandsmellshelp · 16/03/2022 12:34

Sorry for any typos, most of that was audio transcribed, I hope you got the gist

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Gettingthereslowly2020 · 16/03/2022 12:42

I think you need to accept that your marriage is over, your relationship with him has changed into more of a motherly/carer relationship. You can't have a romantic relationship with someone who is so unwell that they can't maintain basic personal hygiene. You've been so very patient but nothing is changing. He isn't willing to seek help. There's a risk he could make you and the children ill if he's touching things in house with his filthy hands. Can you get him settled in a flat nearby? You could then raise your concerns to social services - presumably the flat would be filthy too as he wouldn't clean it.

gingerhills · 16/03/2022 12:43

Have you told him how you feel rather than what you think he should do? If he is a kind person, how would he react if you broke down in tears and said you feel so lonely and unloved, that he doesn't care enough about you to maintain a level of hygiene that is tolerable to live with? That you feel it is a way of rejecting you and making you look responsible for the rejection by making himself physically repulsive. That you feel he doesn't care about you at all or about the DC very much because his hygiene suggests your needs don't matter at all.

Unload how you feel and be really open about how rejecting it is to be on the receiving end of this sustained filth attack. How rejecting it is to be so dismissive of all your gentle and kind attempts to help him, how it turns you into not a wife but a bossy mother figure and you choose to be neither.

Ask him what he has against cleanliness. Is it a sensory issue? If it is, he can desensitise by doing it more often! Ask him what matter more to him - not bathing or having a marriage because it is at breaking point.

livinthedream1995 · 16/03/2022 12:46

Nah I’d be gone. It may well be related to ADD/some other mental health problem but he’s refusing to get any kind of help with it and is just expecting everyone around him to put up with his poor hygiene. I’d be more willing to stay if he’d be receptive of getting help, but he’s clearly not. As someone else said, it’s not your responsibility to fix him. You can support someone, but you can only really do that if they realise there’s a problem and they want to fix it. You can’t fix someone who doesn’t think there’s anything to be fixed. A hard no from me, I’d be out.

Lollipop858 · 16/03/2022 12:46

@TheSoapyFrog

Has he always been like this or is it recent? It could well be ASD and/or ADHD. I have ADHD and struggle with personal hygiene due to executive dysfunction. I often completely forget to brush my teeth, sometimes for days at a time. It just doesn't occur to me. Sometimes the thought of having a bath and washing my hair is overwhelming. It's too much effort and I can't bring myself to do it. If it's ASD, there may be sensory issues attached. Some kind stand the feeling of being wet or the taste of toothpaste.

I can imagine it's hideous to live with though. And frustrating that he knows it's unpleasant for you, but doesn't do anything to help.

If he isn't willing to seek help and make changes, you have to decide if it's something you can learn to tolerate, or if maybe it's time to call it a day.

This ^
52andblue · 16/03/2022 12:47

@Ofwarren I mentioned ASD as I was explaining how it can be for some folk with ASD. But if OPs H is not on the spectrum (or doesn't want to find out & adopt strategies if so) then it could be straightforward Depression (as he was 'not always like this'). Again that might involve a trip to a GP /MH support, coping strategies etc.
If it's neither of these perhaps he has got into really lazy habits & prioritises those over the intimate parts of his relationship with OP.
In which case maybe a short sharp shock ('LTB') would be appropriate? Having stayed in a bad marriage too long myself due to not wanting to revisit my childhood on my kids, the OP will have to be sure re Separation before she 'chucks him out' as it were.

livinthedream1995 · 16/03/2022 12:49

When I say fix him, I mean his personal hygiene btw, just reread and it comes across like I might mean trying to fix underlying issues which isn’t what I'm going for.

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