What is the hand signal the boys killed on A66 are making?

[Spooll]

In the pictures that have been released, four out of five of them are making the same hand gesture. I feel very out of touch, but what is it?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cq6151gdp50t

Yes. Why?

I appreciate your point, but these lads are notorious for this. It’s not bad luck that they were in the car. It’s how they spend their leisure time. It’s what they do for kicks. It’s totally different from the scared women whose partners use aggressive driving to punish and intimidate them. These lads habitually did this stuff. They knew the score.

and @Backedoffhackedoff of course they are murders! There’s no equality between the two men who died despite doing nothing wrong, and the 5 who are dead because they chose to do something really reckless that was inevitably going to kill someone at some point. One of them almost killed a motorcyclist recently, if I remember correctly.

Killing yourself and someone else simultaneously doesn’t mean you’re magically not a murderer. It’s still your fault.

Dead people can't be murderers? Um, yes they can. Death doesnt erase what you were in life, for good or ill.

Aggressive - do show me where. Go on.

I didn't say people shouldn't ask questions. I encourage it.

I don't want the thread to end - I think it's very obviously a class issue. But no one is saying so. And it's very complex and difficult when kids die who have behaved awfully who for whatever reason have fuck all idea of danger (to themselves or others).

Maybe you should answer the question?

It sounds like you know them and have formed a reasoned view based on that, which is fair enough. What’s really grim on the thread is people almost crowing over their death. Whether this was something they did regularly or not, some of them were teenagers and clearly weren’t properly parented. It’s possible to feel that it’s a tragic loss of life despite the stupidity of their actions.

Could it just be a locsl trend like the Darlo finger. Which is only 16 miles away.

Also jusr roadman signs popular with youth.

I saw a tribute video for one of the Irish boys featuring sappy music and talk about heaven, but the photo was of him giving the middle figure. Even if you're short on pictures, how do you not crop that out?

Yeah you can’t murder someone when you’re dead yourself thought that was fairly obvious

”It’s possible to feel that it’s a tragic loss of life despite the stupidity of their actions.”

the posters on this thread won’t be able to understand that. Unless you’re competitively calling them names you’re not demonstrating you recognise stupidity, apparently

Nope. You are wrong. Those boys caused the deaths of the policemen. That they died is irrelevant.
If someone died because I poisoned their coffee just before I fell off a cliff, I killed them.

Why are you so desperate to deny what they did? The two men would be alive right now, if the youngsters hadn’t caused their deaths,

Obviously you know causing the death of someone isn’t the definition of murder?

anyone who causes a car accident in which someone dies kills them. They are not murderers and aren’t treated as such

Driving down the road on the wrong side of the road is far beyond stupid. It’s criminal. Calling their actions stupid makes it sound like mindless teenage nonsense.

And criminal is a stronger word so more fitting? Is criminal really worse than stupid? Criminal just means breaking the law

Ah, so @Backedoffhackedoff was purely after the charge that would have been used if they’d survived. They won’t be charged with murder now, for sure.

I’d agree it’s an appalling waste of life, but I’d be surprised if they turned their lives around. It’s sad for the people who loved them, but quite possibly safer for everyone else.

No, it’s what murder actually is vs what you like to say because it sounds even more dramatic than it already is.

you have a preference for calling them murderers because that sounds good to you, and makes you feel satisfied.

Therefore I am not wrong, as you stated, you are. You are calling them murders because you prefer that description, but it’s still wrong.

I wonder if they were called murders as in retro specivectuvly charged and brought shame whether it may help the communities do parent them better ?
If my DC chose to drive the wrong way on a motorway id accept they chose to murder people

wtf?! 🙈 how can you retrospectively charge a Dead person?

it’s like medieval flogging- bring shame on the family!

what difference does it make to anyone if you accept they’re a murderer? In reality who that matters would actually care about that?

Of course it’s criminal. It’s also stupid, reckless, dangerous, thoughtless, idiotic… How many adjectives is enough?

I'm not sure of the legalities of actually Charging someone but I think in telsnd esp the glorying of the boys that killed the family has caused up set. Maybe if there was some way to make sure no ,they killed people they are murders it would help the families to assist the teens alive not to drive the wrong way. .
I think maybe sadly you are right though some cultures seems to glorfy violnce and stuff so maybe they would not care I don't know.

Glorifying the boys is causing upset to you and everyone else who is seeking them and their families out on social media.

You have no idea what the families of the police officers think, I strongly suspect they aren’t giving theM a second thought right now, let alone arguing about whether they’re murders and whether their families feel enough shame.

Firstly I'm very sorry for the loss of your child, what a terrible thing to have happened to your family.

Regarding this crash, I'd say it's incredibly unlikely that anyone was in that car against their will or better judgement. It was a stolen car. The plates had been cloned. That takes time and effort. Cars had been stolen previously and videos posted. These aren't the actions of a group of hapless lads who have taken a prank too far.

Perhaps the families, friends and colleagues of their victims?

That would not fit with my experience. In general, victims families give quite a lot of thought to the people who kill them and have quite strong views on how they are portrayed.