Why is the Wimbledon school crash investigation not getting more attention?

[Eesha]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15731159/Eleven-Met-Officers-probed-Wimbledon-crash-killed-schoolgirls.html

Why isnt this bigger news? This school is similar to mine, and it seems like they have great lawyers who got her off.

I prefer Miss Marple

You stated accelerating instead of breaking is “a thing” and went to the trouble of linking a different news story where it happened, so I assumed you did have some knowledge actually.

it would’ve been very clear if she was accelerating- she would’ve been seen increasing speed as well as the cars telemetry recording it. Wouldn’t have been difficult to ascertain

I didnt say they were pointless or that they never uncovered mistakes, why are you making things up?

@Itsmetheflamingo

I answered your question about human error

it would’ve been very clear if she was accelerating- she would’ve been seen increasing speed as well as the cars telemetry recording it. Wouldn’t have been difficult to ascertain

I think if it was clear what had happened we wouldn’t be discussing it on this thread in the first place…

Nah but if you want a 'win' with regard to your err sleuthing, you're welcome 😊

@likelysuspect

I inferred that’s what you meant by the below

I think a lot of public bodies open things to show they are doing something so they cant be accused of not double checking if everything was done right if they keep getting complaints (which I think they have from these parents)

You can believe the IOPC are only investigating 11 officers because the parents are nagging them and the investigation will prove no errors were made but it’s ok for others to think that the police make mistakes (often) & that the parents may have legitimate claims.

It’s not clear to you- that doesn’t mean it wasn’t clear to the people who investigated it

Thanks, but there really was no effort involved. 🏆

Ugh
Ghoulish behaviour 😕

Isn’t it still under investigation?

And calling someone a fictional detective isn’t? Try harder

Of course it could have. But even if not, a white van would have. My T6 would have, because they are the same weight. There can't be any further legislation based on weight and/or power that doesn't affect those, too and they are much more common and driven by normal folk. You might as well say, well if she'd been riding moped perhaps no one would have died, so all school runs must be done on mopeds.

The risk and outcome of an incident are either higher and worse for ALL big heavy vans and cars or they aren't. So either ALL cars over a specific weight should be harder to access, or none of them should. How expensive and wanky they are isn't a factor. You can't decide this subjectively. At the moment that weight is 3.5t, and Defenders fall well within it. To bring it down further would mean a significant impact on regular folks, too. 3.5t is currently believed to be the best comprise between risk to individuals and convenience to all. You just can't eliminate all accidents.

(I'm not having a go at anyone. Humans are poor at assessing relative risk)

No

Please don’t use epileptic as a noun. People with epilepsy find it stigmatising.

Oh dear 😬

No. Unless it was witnessed by a medical professional, a conclusion will at most say that it was probably a seizure, but woukd not say for definite.

My son has 4 types of Epilepsy and in all of his notes, it says that I said he had a seizure/s but the conclusion is that he probably had one. Where we didn't witness a seizure but found him, they ask detailed questions as to why we thought he'd had one and the draw a probable conclusion.

When he was little and started having myoclonic seizures, a registrar who had never seen him have one listened to the description and when I said I thought it was a myoclonic seizure, he disagreed and said he thought it was a tic. This became his diagnosis until he had an EEG and an MRI, which showed abnormalities tgat led to a formal diagnosis of a type of Epilepsy and other structural diagnoses.

Once a seizure is over, the residual symptoms could be mistaken for lots of other medical or social issues.

Even if they are, the public needs to have that power and scrutiny. Of course, everything should be done properly the first time, and in a perfect world no one would be corrupt, unconsciously biased, have an off day, be overloaded, be unwell, make mistakes etc. But it does happen. And people do lie. So you can't give the power all to one person, or one group of people. That's what the system is for.

Absolutely - a person with epilepsy is not wholly defined by their medical condition. Epileptic seizures are a wide spectrum and not homogeneous.

As she has been re-arrested, the case is active, which means the press is restricted in what they can say. It’s not a conspiracy, it’s the law.

I have epilepsy. Had my first seizure at 33 while climbing up the stairs of a double decker bus and ended up in A&E with a broken face. Another seizure a few months later.

No family history, completely normal ECG and brain scan (which is common), absolutely no hint of seizures up until then.

Obviously I have no insight into this case, but it’s entirely plausible that what the driver said happened, happened. 1 in 25 people develop epilepsy in their lifetimes.

Been seizure free for a couple of years now so could drive now if I wanted too. Agree with that or not as you like, but the guidance on driving is informed by neurologists.

No. My friend had a seizure recently. Never had one before. Had brain scan, nothing shown. I think the only way to establish if you have / had epilepsy is an EEG inthink then are called? Even then it wouldn't pinpoint that you had a seizure on a particular day etc.

Are you for real? Something has happened here which has caused her to swerve off the road and kill two children having a tea party in a school playground. Why haven’t we seen a photo of her, in this day and age, at any point? Of course she is looking to protect herself from prosecution, to avoid being convicted of manslaughter!

Same here and they park right on the corner so you cant see whats coming the other way when you pull out

Not quite - EEG’s measure brain activity only while you’re having the EEG. Brain activity returns to normal quickly so even if you have one within a few hours of a suspected seizure, it’s quite likely to show normal brain activity. Unless you have a seizure while you’re having an EEG, or the EEG technician provokes one (they do this when they are testing for suspected epilepsy as flashing lights and specific breathing patterns provoke epileptic brain activity in some people with epilepsy).

There is no guaranteed medical test for epilepsy, and given that when you have a seizure you are unconscious, most people get a diagnosis because other people have witnessed them having more than one seizure.

Insurance lawyer here - even if she has not disclosed a previous history of seizures, her insurers will be liable to meet the compensation claims arising out of the accident IF it can be proven on the balance of probability she was negligent in her driving.

The insurers then have a right to seek from her recovery of the payments made under the policy if the failure to disclose can be proven.

See the Road Traffic Act 1988.