Caroline Flack - she was so let down

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Just watched the documentary, it’s so sad. She was treated so awfully by the press and police.

I feel so bad for her mum and friends and family 😢

Don't you have to admit guilt to be offered a caution? I'm not sure Caroline Flack did - she plead not guilty in court meaning there would be a full trial

She hit her partner. Even worse she hit him when he was asleep and vulnerable. There is no excusing it, regardless of if he cheated, or whether she did or didn’t cause him to bleed. She hit him and it’s unacceptable. Cutting herself when he called the police screams manipulation.

I understand that her mum is devastated and I feel very sad for her, but she isn’t going to make everyone think Caroline was the victim here. I think she’s getting less support rather than more because she continues to minimise Caroline’s actions and blame everyone else. She is grieving, but the makers of this documentary aren’t doing her any favours and shouldn’t give her this platform to keep doing this.

This - 👏

There was another thread almost identical to this one last week.

Female celebrities who commit domestic violence don't get the same level of public backlash for hitting men (and a male celebrity who physically assaulted his sleeping girlfriend then committed suicide when facing legal trouble would not be getting the level of sympathy Caroline has gotten) . Their violent behaviour is usually quickly forgiven and forgotten about; ex: Emma Roberts and Hope Solo. Domestic violence against males does not get taken as seriously as domestic violence against females.

The majority of first time domestic abuse cases are given a caution.

If that's true (surely it can't be?) it's awful, and should be addressed.
I'm perplexed by the very notion tbh - does a 'first one free' token apply to every example of physical violence, or is it just when it's domestic??? Genuinely appalled if this IS the norm!

Firstly how is being mentally ill attention seeking. Secondly how do you stop an adult ending there life her mum begged her to come home she didn't want to

My ex was violent and abusive with evidence and proof so much worse than this but only had a night in cells, a chat with police and let out next day. It took multiple more offences before it even went to court. I'm not excusing what Caroline did at all but it is odd to see how her crimes were treated so much more seriously than someone with a history of abuse and evidence of very serious attacks. Maybe its because violence against women is just ignored and accepted

There was an article interviewing her previous partner who also didn’t have a good word to say about her regarding domestic violence aimed at him. This was between her getting arrested and her death. As soon as she died he featured in another article saying how much of a tragedy it was and she was failed etc - so bizarre. Either he was paid handsomely for any interview he did or the guilt got him for publicly slagging her off shortly before she committed suicide.

I know it was probably the shock of what happened and the following guilt - but I found, like other PP’s, it so odd how everyone was sainting her despite knowing she’d assaulted her bf while he slept after going through his mobile phone (which many ppl say is a gross infringement of privacy anyway). And he said she’d jumped to conclusions regarding the conversation anyway, which is by the by I guess. I thought she hit him with a lamp though.

She was a woman in her 30’s, presenting on the singing competition when she groomed a sixteen year old Harry Styles into a sexual relationship.
The age and power imbalance made her a predator.

Agree.

You cant, obviously. But that didn't stop Caroline's mum blaming her friends for her death saying they should never have left her which is just as nasty. Her friends cannot be with her 24/7 they have lives too

Imagine if someone on here said “Steve hits his girlfriend, but I don’t know what all the fuss is about as he never leaves a mark”…

At the time I thought it was seized upon as the perfect example of “Look Women Do It Too You Know!” I said it too and got absolutely shouted down and roasted for it. I still think that. It was a nasty row that got out of hand and they ruined every aspect of her life for it to the point where she saw death as the preferable option. If only the same thing happened to all the men who commit repeated vicious DV. Massive hypocrisy.

The Harry Styles thing was grim though.

I didn't realise she had thats awful and unfair

She was a loose cannon, clearly. It was never going to end well.

She let herself down by being violent towards her partner. Actually sick of listening to her mother making out that Caroline was some kind of Saint and blaming everybody but her daughter. She needs to shut up and go away.

Its incredibly sad but the only person here who is responsible is Caroline.

She cant help having had MH issues of course, but it looks like she wouldn't engage in MH services or accept any diagnoses. Doing coke when you have existing MH issues is a terrible choice too and is bound to mess you up and act in ways that are chaotic and from every picture I've seen of her she has alcohol in her hand which is also not a good idea if you are struggling with your mood/regulating your behaviour.

This was noone's fault, what happened to her was a sad combination of her genetics and her own poor choices/behaviour.

Her mother should have spent the last five years trying to heal not finding someone, anyone to blame for Caroline’s actions.

I can’t believe Disney commissioned this, it’s so one sided.

“A nasty row that got out of hand”

presumably, if a woman posted on here and said her husband/boyfriend had hit her on the head with a phone, and when she called the police he slit his wrists, you’d be saying he was abusive and she should leave.

It wasn’t a row that got out of hand. There was no row preceding her attack. Her boyfriend was sleeping.

They didn’t ruin her life either, they reported on it. And of course they would! The face of one of the biggest dating shows in world physically assaulted her partner!

She didn’t see a way out because she didn’t want to plead guilty (despite admitting her guilt over and over in the police interview) but also didn’t want the body cam footage to be played at the trial as it showed her in a very vulnerable state having just cut her arms.

I honestly believe that had she plead guilty, shown remorse and done a sit down interview opening up about her struggles with mental health and alcoholism she’d have worked again in TV land.

I honestly believe that had she plead guilty, shown remorse and done a sit down interview opening up about her struggles with mental health and alcoholism she’d have worked again in TV land

Totally agree. Plenty of tv stars have done this.

So according to the reporting in the documentary Caroline saw messages on her phone and flung her arm out (still holding the phone) to wake him and accidentally hit his head with the phone as she did so. Arguing and shouting followed on both sides and she had a meltdown smashed stuff in the room and deliberately cut herself. She went to hospital to be treated he had no injuries other than a small red mark where the phone hit. . The police arrested her, he dropped the charges and the police pursued the prosecution regardless. Since then they had someone look at the files and they said there was no reason to continue the investigation due to the lack of injury, the fact it was a first time offence and the victim didn’t want it to go ahead. But the police are adamant the case was prosecution worthy.

No one other than the people in the room know what happened that night. But what is fact is that the only injury he had was a small red mark and that this had never happened before.

it’s unreasonable for posters to say she abused him based on that.

I think it was right for CF to be arrested and she should have been brought to justice but the media onslaught was inexcusable and it's clear that that it what led to her death. She clearly had mental health issues and slitting her wrists was a form of abuse.
Having said that, I can't help but think of male celebs like C Brown who completely battered his famous partner and is somehow still famous, touring and making loads of money...

Yes I agree if men were vilified in the same way maybe less of them would be predators