Page 6 | Caroline Flack - she was so let down

Newyearnewmewoooop · 2025-11-21T21:54:11+00:00

Just watched the documentary, it’s so sad. She was treated so awfully by the press and police. I feel so bad for her mum and friends and family 😢

kittywittyandpretty · 22/11/2025 09:34

Sartre · 22/11/2025 09:11

To be honest, the attack happened because Caroline had found messages on his phone from another woman. Makes me wonder if it was his now wife…

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That’s where everybody’s train of thought was going.

None of them covered themselves in glory that evening and I would say that if he killed himself and she was moving on as swiftly.
It’s not so much the speed is who it is

ooohthatsanicefondantfancy · 22/11/2025 09:47

vitalityvix · 22/11/2025 09:02

“He had no injuries other than a small red mark”

Why are so you keen to diminish his injury? I’m not saying he was battered and bruised but it is clear that he was hit on the head with an object (most likely the phone) and this caused an injury to his head which was bleeding.

The following is quoted from a witness statement on behalf of the CPS presented at her inquest:

”Ms Flack accepted that she had caused the injury to Mr Burton’s head and seen the bleeding, and that he was asleep at the time she struck him.”

In a statement made on the 10 November 2025 they said:

“Ms Flack had struck Mr Burton to the head with an object while he was asleep and unable to protect himself. This resulted in an injury that was bleeding”

”He dropped the charges and the police pursued the prosecution regardless”

He was unwilling to support the prosecution because he was concerned about their careers and welfare. “It was noted that Mr Burton did not say that the statements he made in the 999 call and on the Body Worn Footage were untrue.”

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Exactly. I think in all of this he has behaved with great care towards her.

SleepingStandingUp · 22/11/2025 09:49

Newyearnewmewoooop · 21/11/2025 22:05

She didn’t draw blood though, that’s the whole point. The blood was her own. Honestly it’s shocking how much misinformation is believed

so it's ok for my husband to hit me as long as he doesn't draw blood?

lightningrods · 22/11/2025 09:49

colapepsi · 22/11/2025 09:24

I literally cant believe what I am reading in this thread.

"It only left a little mark on his head"
"There was no blood after all"
"well, she did suspect him of cheating..."
"She had MH issues, not her fault"

If one of your relatives was hit on the head by their partner, I wonder if you'd be making these same excuses and telling them "oh get over it! there's only a tiny mark there- no biggie!"

Have you seen the documentary? It provides some really interesting context to what was reported in the media.

The papers claim she hit him with a lamp and that the bedroom was like a ‘horror film’ afterwards. The documentary says she found texts on his phone, lost the plot and in the ensuing scrap accidentally nicked him with her phone. There was no lamp.

She had a long history of serious mental health issues and thinking she was out of control, he rang the police. She knew it would leak to the papers so she attempted suicide, hence the blood and stay in hospital. The papers allowed the public to think the blood was his. Flack’s lawyers said it would harm her defence if she spoke out to correct the story. Her fear that the bodycam footage would appear in public court, showing her hysterical with deep cuts, was the humiliation that led to her taking her life.
The boyfriend spoke out in her defence, he quizzed where the lamp story came from and he also said he didn’t want her to be prosecuted.

In short, it sounds like a deeply toxic relationship and there’s no circumstances where physically harming your partner is ok but I don’t think this story is as one sided as was reported.

**Edited to add that years ago when I found evidence of my then partner’s cheating, it felt like the bottom had dropped out of my world. I was completely overwhelmed and in our confrontation, while I didn’t lash out physically, I was completely enraged at the lies and humiliation.

colapepsi · 22/11/2025 09:57

lightningrods · 22/11/2025 09:49

Have you seen the documentary? It provides some really interesting context to what was reported in the media.

The papers claim she hit him with a lamp and that the bedroom was like a ‘horror film’ afterwards. The documentary says she found texts on his phone, lost the plot and in the ensuing scrap accidentally nicked him with her phone. There was no lamp.

She had a long history of serious mental health issues and thinking she was out of control, he rang the police. She knew it would leak to the papers so she attempted suicide, hence the blood and stay in hospital. The papers allowed the public to think the blood was his. Flack’s lawyers said it would harm her defence if she spoke out to correct the story. Her fear that the bodycam footage would appear in public court, showing her hysterical with deep cuts, was the humiliation that led to her taking her life.
The boyfriend spoke out in her defence, he quizzed where the lamp story came from and he also said he didn’t want her to be prosecuted.

In short, it sounds like a deeply toxic relationship and there’s no circumstances where physically harming your partner is ok but I don’t think this story is as one sided as was reported.

**Edited to add that years ago when I found evidence of my then partner’s cheating, it felt like the bottom had dropped out of my world. I was completely overwhelmed and in our confrontation, while I didn’t lash out physically, I was completely enraged at the lies and humiliation.

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My post wasnt referring to the media reporting of the incident. My post was about the horrific minimising in this thread of physical violence towards a partner.

I would ask again, if one of your female friends was hit in the same manner as Lewis was and endured a head wound, would you say to her "it's fine, it barely left a mark!"?

Cheating (if it even occurred) is morally reprehensible but it does not condone violence in any shape or form and the moment you start going down the road of "oh butttttt... he/she cheated" is the moment you are saying its ok to use a low level of violence if a moral justification is present.

Then, you get on to how much violence is acceptable to use if you've been cheated on. For one person, it might be a whack on the head with a phone, for the next person it might be a punch in the face, for someone else it might be hitting them with a hammer or stabbing them. No level of violence or hitting people with objects is ok. EVER.

FuzzyWolf · 22/11/2025 09:57

Sequinsoneverythingplease · 22/11/2025 07:21

At the time I thought it was seized upon as the perfect example of “Look Women Do It Too You Know!” I said it too and got absolutely shouted down and roasted for it. I still think that. It was a nasty row that got out of hand and they ruined every aspect of her life for it to the point where she saw death as the preferable option. If only the same thing happened to all the men who commit repeated vicious DV. Massive hypocrisy.

The Harry Styles thing was grim though.

How was it a nasty row when he was asleep and woke up to her beating him? That’s an unprovoked assault, not a row that got out of hand.

vitalityvix · 22/11/2025 10:01

Why are so many posters saying he didn’t bleed from his injury? Where has this come from?

Pavementworrier · 22/11/2025 10:01

I think the wrist slitting was PART of the abusive behaviour, not a mitigation. "I'LL KILL MYSELF IF YOU LEAVE".

FuzzyWolf · 22/11/2025 10:01

firstofallimadelight · 22/11/2025 07:59

So according to the reporting in the documentary Caroline saw messages on her phone and flung her arm out (still holding the phone) to wake him and accidentally hit his head with the phone as she did so. Arguing and shouting followed on both sides and she had a meltdown smashed stuff in the room and deliberately cut herself. She went to hospital to be treated he had no injuries other than a small red mark where the phone hit. . The police arrested her, he dropped the charges and the police pursued the prosecution regardless. Since then they had someone look at the files and they said there was no reason to continue the investigation due to the lack of injury, the fact it was a first time offence and the victim didn’t want it to go ahead. But the police are adamant the case was prosecution worthy.

No one other than the people in the room know what happened that night. But what is fact is that the only injury he had was a small red mark and that this had never happened before.

it’s unreasonable for posters to say she abused him based on that.

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At the inquest the 999 call was played and Lewis said Caroline was “breaking stuff” and “assaulting him.” The Crown Prosecution Service said at the inquest that Lewis told the officers on arrival: “this is mad she just tried to fucking kill me … my life was nearly over.”

No matter how much Caroline’s mum wants to rewrite history, that is the not the reported details of the event.

sciaticafanatica · 22/11/2025 10:05

At the end of the day, a woman with MH issues has taken her own life and her mother and friends can’t accept that she was responsible for this and are looking for someone to blame.
CF was an abuser who did not want to admit to her crimes and take responsibility.
CF is responsible for her own death

FuzzyWolf · 22/11/2025 10:07

Rosemary61 · 22/11/2025 08:03

I think it was right for CF to be arrested and she should have been brought to justice but the media onslaught was inexcusable and it's clear that that it what led to her death. She clearly had mental health issues and slitting her wrists was a form of abuse.
Having said that, I can't help but think of male celebs like C Brown who completely battered his famous partner and is somehow still famous, touring and making loads of money...

Chris Brown publicly apologised, was charged and pleaded guilty. He was sentenced to five years’ probation, six months of community labour, and required domestic violence counselling.

There was no excuse for him and I would have preferred to have never heard from him again so I am not excusing him. However, the difference is that Caroline didn’t apologise, she pretended it didn’t happen how the evidence showed, pleaded not guilty and then committed suicide rather than deal with the consequences of her actions. This was because it meant going to court with the public seeing the police body cameras and hearing in detail about what she did. Apologies, accept the consequences and attempt to rebuild her career and who knows where she would be not - Cheryl Cole came out of her assault to continue having a career and the same with Emma Roberts.

losingstill · 22/11/2025 10:11

Why didn’t she just plead guilty then if she didn’t want to go to court?

lightningrods · 22/11/2025 10:11

colapepsi · 22/11/2025 09:57

My post wasnt referring to the media reporting of the incident. My post was about the horrific minimising in this thread of physical violence towards a partner.

I would ask again, if one of your female friends was hit in the same manner as Lewis was and endured a head wound, would you say to her "it's fine, it barely left a mark!"?

Cheating (if it even occurred) is morally reprehensible but it does not condone violence in any shape or form and the moment you start going down the road of "oh butttttt... he/she cheated" is the moment you are saying its ok to use a low level of violence if a moral justification is present.

Then, you get on to how much violence is acceptable to use if you've been cheated on. For one person, it might be a whack on the head with a phone, for the next person it might be a punch in the face, for someone else it might be hitting them with a hammer or stabbing them. No level of violence or hitting people with objects is ok. EVER.

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I agree with you. There’s no justification for violence and you’re right that if it had been the other way around, the reporting would have been different. There’s no excuses but with this story, it feels as though a lot of the wider story wasn’t reported and it’s suggested that the one sided version is what led to Caroline taking her life.

I guess her mum is trying to find some purpose in it all, by telling the full story. She does say in the documentary that at some point she knows she has to put it down and move forward with her life.

FuzzyWolf · 22/11/2025 10:13

Sartre · 22/11/2025 09:11

To be honest, the attack happened because Caroline had found messages on his phone from another woman. Makes me wonder if it was his now wife…

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Well that is how her mum has manipulated the media to make people think.

Perhaps it’s true, perhaps not. Lewis and Lottie claim they met after Caroline died and no evidence suggests otherwise.

If I had had a very short term relationship (that was probably still at the non exclusive dating stage) that wasn’t serious with a woman who assaulted me and who I wasn’t interested in enough to have refrained from messaging other women, I wouldn’t have had any qualms about starting to date someone else six months’ later. The spin Caroline’s mother puts on it is very different.

FuzzyWolf · 22/11/2025 10:16

lightningrods · 22/11/2025 09:49

Have you seen the documentary? It provides some really interesting context to what was reported in the media.

The papers claim she hit him with a lamp and that the bedroom was like a ‘horror film’ afterwards. The documentary says she found texts on his phone, lost the plot and in the ensuing scrap accidentally nicked him with her phone. There was no lamp.

She had a long history of serious mental health issues and thinking she was out of control, he rang the police. She knew it would leak to the papers so she attempted suicide, hence the blood and stay in hospital. The papers allowed the public to think the blood was his. Flack’s lawyers said it would harm her defence if she spoke out to correct the story. Her fear that the bodycam footage would appear in public court, showing her hysterical with deep cuts, was the humiliation that led to her taking her life.
The boyfriend spoke out in her defence, he quizzed where the lamp story came from and he also said he didn’t want her to be prosecuted.

In short, it sounds like a deeply toxic relationship and there’s no circumstances where physically harming your partner is ok but I don’t think this story is as one sided as was reported.

**Edited to add that years ago when I found evidence of my then partner’s cheating, it felt like the bottom had dropped out of my world. I was completely overwhelmed and in our confrontation, while I didn’t lash out physically, I was completely enraged at the lies and humiliation.

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The documentary is supposed to make you feel sorry for Caroline and believe it wasn’t her fault. You might criticise the media but it reported from the inquest. This wasn’t scandalous tabloid speculation but fact. The inquest heard that it was never clearly resolved whether it was the lamp, a desk fan, or her phone that hit him on the head. It was certainly never ruled out that it wasn’t the lamp and let’s be honest, which of the three sounds more acceptable?

FrippEnos · 22/11/2025 10:23

Happyjoe · 21/11/2025 23:10

Thing I remember about Ms Flack was the 'be kind' social media campaign after. Everyone to be kind to each other.

Then covid hit right after. 'Fuck that' said the UK while it reached to fill their shopping trolleys with every scrap of food and toilet roll they could, despite not needing it. You couldn't make it up.

Wasn't #Bekind started by Leigh Francis, a man that destroyed another man's career for the sake of his comedy?

colapepsi · 22/11/2025 10:23

lightningrods · 22/11/2025 10:11

I agree with you. There’s no justification for violence and you’re right that if it had been the other way around, the reporting would have been different. There’s no excuses but with this story, it feels as though a lot of the wider story wasn’t reported and it’s suggested that the one sided version is what led to Caroline taking her life.

I guess her mum is trying to find some purpose in it all, by telling the full story. She does say in the documentary that at some point she knows she has to put it down and move forward with her life.

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Yeah, I would agree that the media are scum and love to build people up then tear them down without a single thought to what that does to a person mentally.

However, Caroline had attempted to take her life years earlier when she was younger so whilst I think it was a trigger, I dont think it was the sole cause. I think it was the perfect storm of her undiagnosed/untreated MH issues, her own unwise choices to take cocaine and alcohol which would have made her very emotionally unstable and yes, her own ill advised actions which caused the event to happen in the first place.

No doubt that cheating is despicable - I was cheated on at one point and so were several of my friends, but none of us have ended up in a police cell.

Sadly, I feel like if it hadn't been this incident, it would have been something else. I feel like she was spiralling and with cocaine and alcohol in the mix it was never going to end well 😔

Her mum seems to think that if it wasnt for her relationship with Lewis she would be absolutely fine now. I dont agree. Untreated MH issues mixed with coke and alcohol are a disaster waiting to happen. I have seen it a million times (having worked in MH)

popcorncake · 22/11/2025 10:29

FuzzyWolf · 22/11/2025 10:13

Well that is how her mum has manipulated the media to make people think.

Perhaps it’s true, perhaps not. Lewis and Lottie claim they met after Caroline died and no evidence suggests otherwise.

If I had had a very short term relationship (that was probably still at the non exclusive dating stage) that wasn’t serious with a woman who assaulted me and who I wasn’t interested in enough to have refrained from messaging other women, I wouldn’t have had any qualms about starting to date someone else six months’ later. The spin Caroline’s mother puts on it is very different.

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Exactly. I have dated people before for short periods of time and if one of those men had assaulted me whilst I was sleeping I would have had zero guilt whatsoever in dating other people soon after.

It's ridiculous that people seem to think he should have become a monk for several years after her death as some kind of penance for what- being hit in the head? Ludicrous

Slothisavirtue · 22/11/2025 10:30

Sartre · 22/11/2025 09:11

To be honest, the attack happened because Caroline had found messages on his phone from another woman. Makes me wonder if it was his now wife…

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Who cares if it was?
It's not an ideal way to behave by any stretch but it doesn't justify violence

I've found messages on a partners phone before and I know how grim that is but it still doesn't justify violence

supersonicginandtonic · 22/11/2025 10:30

@ShesTheAlbatross you'd be very very surprised how many domestic violence cases make it to court. Even very serious ones are hard to get there on evidence alone. So very many get dropped with no further action when the victim doesn't support prosecution.
A couple I've worked with this year include a man who has tried to strangle his partner 3 times, since March alone. NFA
A man who dragged his partner out the house by her hair and took her in the car, she was that frightened she got out on a busy road and ran away. NFA
A woman who hit her partner on the head with a rock. NFA
All happened in front of their children. All were dropped because the victim didn't support prosecution. The CPS said no to evidence based prosecution.

TigTails · 22/11/2025 10:33

sciaticafanatica · 22/11/2025 10:05

At the end of the day, a woman with MH issues has taken her own life and her mother and friends can’t accept that she was responsible for this and are looking for someone to blame.
CF was an abuser who did not want to admit to her crimes and take responsibility.
CF is responsible for her own death

This, this and some more this.

firstofallimadelight · 22/11/2025 10:37

@vitalityvixi was explaining within the context of the documentary to another poster who asked the question

Rosemary61 · 22/11/2025 10:39

FuzzyWolf · 22/11/2025 10:07

Chris Brown publicly apologised, was charged and pleaded guilty. He was sentenced to five years’ probation, six months of community labour, and required domestic violence counselling.

There was no excuse for him and I would have preferred to have never heard from him again so I am not excusing him. However, the difference is that Caroline didn’t apologise, she pretended it didn’t happen how the evidence showed, pleaded not guilty and then committed suicide rather than deal with the consequences of her actions. This was because it meant going to court with the public seeing the police body cameras and hearing in detail about what she did. Apologies, accept the consequences and attempt to rebuild her career and who knows where she would be not - Cheryl Cole came out of her assault to continue having a career and the same with Emma Roberts.

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Yes, completely agree, he did publicly apologise but arguably he had no choice but to apologise. The photographs of Rihanna were published for the whole world to see.
I don't condone any type of violence, whether it be from a man or a woman and I am horrified that Chris Brown is still being given a platform despite his charges. Arguably, other celebrities have been cancelled from the media for less.

Cherrytree86 · 22/11/2025 10:41

Happyjoe · 22/11/2025 08:40

Your friend was a moose and I hope the hubby got rid too. Not nice, sorry, hope you recovered quickly from the crash?

Yeah, the Flack thing was totally meaningless, virtue signalling at it's worst. Far too many people are just selfish, nasty self-entitled pricks these days (sorry, woke up the wrong side of the bed this morning!).

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@Happyjoe

the friend is a cunt, not a moose.

manicpixieschemegirl · 22/11/2025 11:01

kittywittyandpretty · 22/11/2025 09:34

That’s where everybody’s train of thought was going.

None of them covered themselves in glory that evening and I would say that if he killed himself and she was moving on as swiftly.
It’s not so much the speed is who it is

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”No one covered themselves in glory that evening”

Seriously? The messages turned out to be from a middle aged client, which CF only found because she was snooping through her boyfriend’s phone without his consent. She then threw the phone at his head as he slept and self-harmed while he was on a call to 999. The only person who didn’t “cover themselves in glory” was CF. Those were the actions of a narcissistic abuser.

Had CF pled guilty, she most like would’ve received a caution. She pled not guilty which meant the case had to go to trial.

CF suffered from mental health issues from a very young age which I’m not sure were ever addressed. Her mum has admitted she feared for years that CF would take her own life, which makes her trying to apportion blame to CF’s friends even more disgraceful.