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Boris Johnson, parties and the Sue Gray report fall out. Thread 6

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DuncinToffee · 01/06/2022 20:18

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Blossomtoes · 09/06/2022 09:30

They’re not learning any other lessons from history so why would they make an exception in the mortgage market? I’d put money on the reintroduction of 100% mortgages or at least a forced loosening of lending criteria. Tories will do anything to buy votes.

the80sweregreat · 09/06/2022 09:31

It costs a fortune to run a home too , buildings insurance to find , upkeep of boilers , general maintenance etc. I'm not saying at all people shouldn't aspire to home own, but not council house or HA stock at taxpayers expense. It's madness , but that's just my opinion. It worked out ok for those who did it on my old council estate in the 80s. they all moved on after three years or more and made a nice profit on it to ' better areas ' but maybe this won't happen now? Not sure if it's the same deals as back then, but the taxpayer will still be involved

Cornettoninja · 09/06/2022 09:43

Aren’t peoples budgets scrutinised by lenders now for affordability (no idea - terminal renter after being priced out a long time ago)? I’m not entitled to benefits and ok-off. Still not rich enough to fund a mortgage at current prices plus repairs and maintenance.

On the face of it I’m bloody bored with them tinkering with the housing market. These new proposals, tax break during covid, first time buyer loans (or was that labour?) - the fundamental problem isn’t being addressed and neither are they sticking to the very Tory capitalist/free market ethos. The market should be dictating surely….. or you know, ensure that everybody’s fundamental right for adequate shelter is catered for and concentrate on the rental provision and rights. Pick a side.

The culture of property ownership at any/all costs isn’t working. Not least because the notion of using assets to fund elderly care is deeply unpopular with people preferring to pass on wealth. Completely understandable but has consequences when that wealth is generated by an essential and scarce resource. There is so much wealth immobile in this country because it’s sitting in property generating fantasy money not backed up by anything.

I’m pretty confident the market would have levelled off by now without legislative interference or at least efforts put into the rental market rather than private ownership. Everybody points back to the introduction of right to buy by Thatcher as the beginning of housing issues, it’s crazy that the roots are never addressed.

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DuncinToffee · 09/06/2022 10:11

At university, I went to a talk given by someone who was described as the architect of the right to buy policy. He saw it as a triple win. First, homeowners were more likely to vote Conservative than renters on social housing. /1
Second, being sold your house at a price which guaranteed a profit on onsale fostered gratitude. Third, it put the squeeze on councils with the most social housing provision, which were often Labour, as the proceeds could not be used to built new housing. /2

twitter.com/seanjonesqc/status/1534814144993665029?t=cdxCH94UK2TISrDE8zZzjw&s=19

Youu can see why Johnson likes the idea

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the80sweregreat · 09/06/2022 10:54

Martin smith the money guru man also thinks it's a bad idea too.

Blossomtoes · 09/06/2022 10:56

the80sweregreat · 09/06/2022 10:54

Martin smith the money guru man also thinks it's a bad idea too.

Do you mean Martin Lewis? Interesting, do you have a link? I’d like to see what he says.

the80sweregreat · 09/06/2022 10:59

Lewis , sorry ! Not smith
Can't do links,,he is on Twitter saying it's not a good idea. Nobody seems that enamored with it though

Blossomtoes · 09/06/2022 11:11

Thanks @the80sweregreat. Here’s a link for anyone else interested.

twitter.com/MartinSLewis/status/1534823749324705792

L1ttledrummergirl · 09/06/2022 11:16

I might be wrong but doesn't universal credit (benefits) have an element for rent?
If you buy and have a mortgage you no longer qualify for that element.
Therefore you receive less universal credits so government figures look better. You can no longer service the mortgage so the bank will repossess the house which will be rented back to you by a rich landlord for an even more extortionate rent than you are already paying.

The only people who win are the rich again at the expense of the poor.

the80sweregreat · 09/06/2022 11:20

I should learn to do links ! I'm useless at tech
Sorry
It's not gone down well with the daily Mail readers either or the Labour Party , not often they agree with anything !

DuncinToffee · 09/06/2022 11:27

Poor queen

Boris Johnson's Cabinet has sent a gift to the Queen of a copper music box, with their names on the inside and the faces of Johnson, May, Cameron and their predecessors stuck around the side.
When she opens the box with their faces on, it plays Hallelujah.

twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1534835563550973952?t=8Z7kN7UjJErRlkjSgp8mZg&s=19

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Blossomtoes · 09/06/2022 11:28

the80sweregreat · 09/06/2022 11:20

I should learn to do links ! I'm useless at tech
Sorry
It's not gone down well with the daily Mail readers either or the Labour Party , not often they agree with anything !

I sympathise! You just copy the content of the browser box and paste it into the post. I still can’t do screenshots!

DuncinToffee · 09/06/2022 11:30

The80s, on twitter I press the share tweet button and click on copy link and then just paste on here

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the80sweregreat · 09/06/2022 11:32

Thank you !
This doesn't appear to be a vote winner.
Or maybe it is if you already have properties ..

DuncinToffee · 09/06/2022 11:33

DuncinToffee · 09/06/2022 11:30

The80s, on twitter I press the share tweet button and click on copy link and then just paste on here

And the content I c&p like Blossomtoes

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the80sweregreat · 09/06/2022 11:34

The musical box !! 😂
Wtaf?

Peregrina · 09/06/2022 11:42

The only people who win are the rich again at the expense of the poor.

LIke a lot of ex-council houses now rented from buy to let landlords, instead of the Council.

It worked, though, it did get people voting Tory.

AmaryIlis · 09/06/2022 11:49

100% mortgages were disastrous in the 1980s when property prices were much lower. In the South, even with Right to Buy discounts, those mortgages would have to be in the region of £100K minimum. How exactly does someone one benefits keep up payments on that plus council tax, insurance, water rates, fuel costs - to say nothing of little luxuries like feeding and clothing their children?

ApplesandBunions · 09/06/2022 11:49

InMySpareTime · 09/06/2022 09:14

How has nobody seen the fatal flaw in the plan to allow benefits to be used to buy houses?
You currently can't get means tested benefits at all with savings over £16k, and the savings taper starts at £8k.
Even if a mortgage was cheaper than renting there's no way someone on means tested benefits could have enough deposit to get a mortgaged property

I suspect it might be aimed at people who would be entitled to right to buy. There are mortgages that allow the discount to be used as a deposit, as the lender is essentially protected in just the same way when they're lending 60% LTV regardless of why the buyer doesn't need to borrow the other 40%, so it isn't actually necessary to have any savings at all in that position. The capital limit for benefits is 16k, with the amount being tapered between 6 and 16k, so there's a cohort of people in social housing in cheaper areas whose votes he's potentially looking to attract here.

If that's what it's intended to do, it's less obviously idiotic than the Rwanda plan, which I have my suspicions is intended to be unlawful.

AmaryIlis · 09/06/2022 12:10

DuncinToffee · 09/06/2022 11:27

Poor queen

Boris Johnson's Cabinet has sent a gift to the Queen of a copper music box, with their names on the inside and the faces of Johnson, May, Cameron and their predecessors stuck around the side.
When she opens the box with their faces on, it plays Hallelujah.

twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1534835563550973952?t=8Z7kN7UjJErRlkjSgp8mZg&s=19

At this very moment she's engaged in drawing a penis on Boris's head.

the80sweregreat · 09/06/2022 12:13

I did read it was all the prime minister's faces she has seen come and go on the side of the box. Still seems a bit of a strange present.

ancientgran · 09/06/2022 12:24

DuncinToffee · 09/06/2022 11:27

Poor queen

Boris Johnson's Cabinet has sent a gift to the Queen of a copper music box, with their names on the inside and the faces of Johnson, May, Cameron and their predecessors stuck around the side.
When she opens the box with their faces on, it plays Hallelujah.

twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1534835563550973952?t=8Z7kN7UjJErRlkjSgp8mZg&s=19

My granny would have said they haven't even got taste in their mouth.

the80sweregreat · 09/06/2022 13:08

I wonder which ' focus group' came up with the music box idea?

Cornettoninja · 09/06/2022 13:22

Gooooddddd - he’s such a twat Angry

Cornettoninja · 09/06/2022 13:23

(Sorry - listening to BJ’s speech/analogyfest/fairytale speech)

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