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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

can you help me out with this?

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booyhoo · 30/06/2010 22:27

i have been lurking around feminism/women's rights for the past few days and have decided to make a change in my life.

although my OH says all the right things when we discuss housework/ division of chores/ childcare issues it doesn't last and i inevitably end up doing the lion's share of it all, he will when asked. now we have an unusual sort of set up in that he is forces and away 90% of the time so naturally everything falls to me. this, i have no problem with. my problem is that when he is here it is still me that does it all. we have talked about it before and OH says that no1, he wants me to stop nagging about him doing things and no2 because he isn't here he doesn't know what needs done and when. which leaves me with the issue of telling him what needs done without him seeing it as nagging. but i also think that his reasons are a bit of a cop out. e.g; he knows that i put a wash on every night, he knows i make the bed every morning, he knows that the washing comes in each night, gets folded and put away, and he knows that dinner needs cooked each evening so really i shouldn't need to be reminding him about this stuff.

so, to my point, following on from me printing off the inspirational quotes from the other thread and putting them up in my house i would like to put up an inspirational quote/phrase for him that would make him feel like he should be doing all thses things. something that will dig at his male pride. not something that slags him of for not doing it but something that will make him feel proud to do it. as in "a real man does x,y and z" or " you are an adult when you can do x, y and z for yourself"

does anybody have anything i could use or could you help me with putting something together? i would also like it to be inspirational for my dcs when they are older.

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SarahMumtoAlex · 01/07/2010 10:08

Something often overlooked in this kind of situation is who gets to define the to do list.

You sound like you do a lot more housework than me. I wouldn't be prepared to do half of that as my 'share'.

This is a very common problem women have higher standards for their home. Perhaps you could start by getting him to discuss what he thinks needs to be done, and get some compromise that way.

Our house isn't as clean as I would like it, but DH and I share what gets done fairly.

Iggisonthesofa · 01/07/2010 09:56

It's like a game of chicken, isn't it. My DH reads feminist literature, is completely pro-equality, but just has this trouble putting principles into action.. and then he always says (rightly) that he does so much more than most men.. well yes, but it's still not 50% so it's not enough!

frikonastick · 01/07/2010 08:10

i just stopped doing anything. its much more difficult with DCs, but if you are willing to grit your teeth and bare it, it works.(it was the hardest thing ever for me because i am a control freak).

because the thing is, your DH 'gets it' alright. he just knows that you will give in before he does.

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booyhoo · 01/07/2010 00:41

so i should threaten to get a cleaner?

anytime i do throw a wobbly over the housework he throws in the much loved (by him) "are you hormonal?" GRRRRRRRRRR

we have been at breaking point over it and i have told him it cannot go on the way it has been and he trots out what he knows will get me to calm down and change my mind.

i dont want to treat him like an infant, because that would give him the right to treat me like his mother.

i just dont know how to make him get it,maybe he cant and we just cant work. i know i cant keep givig in.

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Iggisonthesofa · 01/07/2010 00:13

For reasons I don't quite understand, DH thinks it is immoral to have a cleaner. If he doesn't do enough round house my threat is that we are getting a cleaner. It works (for a time).
We did once have a sticker chart in the past - worked quite well for a time (we both got stickers if jobs done). That was before DC mind so was more of a joke.

Prolesworth · 01/07/2010 00:09

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booyhoo · 01/07/2010 00:04

i know, it is hard to express what i actually want to get across to him without it sounding like nagging or patronising or having a dig.

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BertieBotts · 30/06/2010 23:49

No, that's true - it's not for you, it's for all of you.

I don't know, sorry. I am not very good at wording things - the idea is there but the wording doesn't come right really.

booyhoo · 30/06/2010 23:16

i am trying to avoid asking him to "give me a hand" or "bring the washing in for me" because it isn't for me is it? when he is here it is his washing aswell, and his dcs' washing.

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booyhoo · 30/06/2010 23:14

bertie i had worried it might come accross like that, i just dont know what will work with him though. we have had so many conversations about it and while he says the right things at the time, when it comes down to it he just doesn't do it. the amazing thing is he does it all for himself when he is living away so i know he can, i just get the impression that he thinks it is my job when he is home.

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BertieBotts · 30/06/2010 23:09

Just my opinion - but if it was the other way around, I'd feel really patronised by having a sign telling me a real adult/man/person does X Y or Z. I wouldn't see it as inspiring TBH. That might just be me though.

I would probably take a different approach and just have a chat with him along the lines of "Look, we have a problem here. I feel as though I always end up doing the lion's share when you are home even when we work stuff out. Can we work together on this?" Perhaps you could start by over the course of a couple of weeks when he is away, at the end of each day list everything you have done that he could potentially have helped with if he was there. Or write yourself a big "to do" list and stick it up on a noticeboard or something, which are the jobs which need to be done in the house that day to keep the house running, and just remind him/the children when they are old enough, that you approach it as a team (maybe think of a less cheesy word though!) and something like every time you start a job say "Oh, give us a hand with this will you?" "Love, could you bring the washing in for me while I get the dinner on?"

Basically try to come around to the idea (and ask him to) that the household chores are your "job" and when he's there, he is a "colleague", and when they are finished, you are both back to the roles of husband and wife but there is no more housework and you are free to do as you please.

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booyhoo · 30/06/2010 23:09

we have done that, and i also have awhiteboard on the fridge with everything that needs done daily and what jobs get done on what days. it is just easier for him not to do it or forget, and then i give him the look and say, "i dont want to nag but x needs done" and he'll say yeah "I'l do it" and either starts it and gets distracted or sits down and then i say "well ae you gonna do it?" then he rolls his eyes and makes out like i am nagging, it's catch 22.

we agreed at xmas when he was home for 7 weeks that one of his jos was hanging out the washing everyday. yet everyday if i didn't do it he wouldn't and when i reminded him he would say, "there's no point doing it now." "or it wont dry today" or some other reason not to do it. so i ended up soing it. a few weeks ago he had been at a wedding and came home around midday the following day (this was the plan, he didn't just stay out) we had arranged to go out in the afternoon so while i was tidying up and getting the dcs organised i asked him to hang the washing and said he would but then he lay down on the sofa. i held my tongue for an hour, thinking ok he is hungover. but then i ad to remind him otherwise we would go out and the washing would still be in the machine. it does feel lie i am dealing with another child. even ds1 (4) does what i ask when i ask.

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Prolesworth · 30/06/2010 22:56

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