Is this acceptable in a school?

oh what a load of bollocks you're talking MsG.

Women are not valued as much as men and if you are going to come on the feminism board and tell us they are, you are going to bore everyone. This isn't netmums, you know, our discussions aren't quite so basic.

This isn'T ABOUT FEMINISM-IT's about the appropriate bahaviour of a teacher.The OP persists in maintaining her minority position that the behaviour in questuin was apprpriate in the face of evidence to the contrary, so there really isn't any point in debating further.

oh I can't be bothered to go into the ins and outs, but basically it's one where women are valued as much as men are and where any objectification done to either sex is pretty harmless. At the moment, it's not.

Msgoddess - we've already covered the sauce for the goose argument. It only works if we lived in an equal society.

"By the way, he didn't 'join in' with the ogling, the boys asked him to go back so they could see the pretty girls and he did."

How is that not joining in or colluding? Especially with the remark about he wouldn't ahve done it if there were girls present. Just icky. Must go and wash my hands.

noblegiraffe, I didn't mean hard core. Apologies if it came over as that.

Do people "ogle" other people in a non-sexual way?

To enlarge on my previous post of "clemettethedropout, my kids aren't school age yet"

I'm not sure that the age of my children adds anything relevant to the topics under discussion in this thread, other than perhaps, to show that I'm not a "school mum" yet, which also is not relevant. I do know quite a few teenagers already though. I've even been one myself.

"Re: sauce for the goose, as a more general comment than just this situation, I understand that care needs to be taken around boys to emphasise that unwanted leering etc is a problem, that they need to respect women. But they will want to look at pretty girls. How do you come down heavily on the leering without making them feel guilty for normal behaviour?"

This isn't about stopping boys from ogling. this is about their teacher joining in and colluding with the ogling.

clemettethedropout, yes I know the girls may well think of the parties, clothes and glamour but that's not been the flavour of this thread as I've read it.

I can only go on my experience as head of sex and relationships education at secodnary schools.
Children need a safe place to explore their burgeoning sexuality without being made to feel like their emotions are in any way shameful or to be hidden. This does not, however, mean that ogling should be led by a teacher which is how I read the OP.

clemettethedropout, my kids aren't school age yet, so this whole new world awaits . This thread has been very educational for me (pun intended).

clemettethedropout, I don't think I'm the only one "sexualising" the discussion, and I did also repeatedly mention fantasy in my previous posts. I think many teenage fanstasies are about sex.

If you asked my students they would say they his girlfriend (does he have one?) gets to go to wonderful parties, wearing fantastic dresses and there would be some kissing. They don't generally think about his penic, they think about his face.
How old are your children SDG?

clemettethedropout wrote "You seem to be sexualising this when actually mostly it is about aesthetics and social fantasy (ie I wonder what it would be like to be Zac Ephron's girlfriend, rather than I wonder what it would be like to have sex with Zac Ephron).

What does Zac Ephron's girlfriend have with Zac Ephron then?

SDG I think you may be missing the point. The tutor role is not inferior to the teacher ole. It is part of the same job. Teachers are in loco parentis so provide education and care for the children during school hours.
One of these roles is (voluntarily) supervising children while they have free time (at lunches etc). At these times the children can do anything that conforms to school rules. Looking at pictures of celebrities is not against any rules. It would be inappropriate for a teacher to join in with any lecherous comments, sometimes it is appropriate to remind the children that the person on the picture is an actual person, but generally pictures that children can access through school firewalls are pictures that the celebrities have approved. This is not the same as ogling members of the public who have no say in the matter.

You seem to be sexualising this when actually mostly it is about aesthetics and social fantasy (ie I wonder what it would be like to be Zac Ephron's girlfriend, rather than I wonder what it would be like to have sex with Zac Ephron). Sex is difficult to imagine if you have never had it and doesn't often form part of a teenager's fantasy life.

have a sexuality