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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Is this acceptable in a school?

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noblegiraffe · 27/06/2010 14:48

A friend of mine is a teacher in an all boys school. He was showing a group of pupils some of the football and was fast-forwarding to get to the action. The camera lingered on some pretty girls in the crowd (you know the ones they normally pick!) and the pupils demanded that he go back so they could get a proper look. He obliged, but commented that if there had been a single girl in the classroom, he wouldn't have.

Obviously this was a pretty minor incident, but do you think it was fine (and if so, would it have also been fine if there had been girls present?), or is it encouraging the sexual objectification of women? Or anything else?

What are your thoughts?

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Thisisthatvilewoman · 29/06/2010 09:32

No, I'm a regular that has namechanged.....the get it off you public profile is was aimed at CK.

sethstarkaddersmum · 29/06/2010 09:29

Oh good they've deleted her. She was getting in the way of some interesting discussions.

StillSquiffy · 29/06/2010 08:24

Bugger, I missed the feeding frenzy and now she's been all deleted. What kind of crap was she coming out with this time?

foureleven · 29/06/2010 08:01

I know shes a troll but I dont think it hurts to get one's point of view across calmly in response to such comments from her/him. I was a bit bored anyway.

I didnt see the messages she added that got delted but was the 'get it off your public profile' aimed at me? did she say something about my picture? Oh no, claire doesnt think im ugly does she? That will never do!

Blackduck · 28/06/2010 20:58

blimey I come back for a quiet catchup on this thread and its all gone barking.....

clemettethedropout · 28/06/2010 19:14

Claire, your view of women in history is simplistic and inaccurate. Women weren't oppressed because they had the childbearing role. For example, men and women worked alongside each other in textile factories doing exactly the same work but women were paid half of what men were. Their children were also at work, earning the same as them.

As for the race argument. Slavery was abominable and even though it was abolished racism still exists throughout our society. Should we therefore say that because this racism is not as bad as slavery that it is tolerable and should not be challenged?

Inequalities exist throughout our society and some women work to challenge them. If you choose not to, or to ignore them, then that is your perogative. I don't expect you will answer this post, preferring instead to believe that all feminists have something missing in their lives. It would be galling for you to think that we had happy, fulfilling lives yet still wanted to work to make the world a better place for all its citizens.

HerBeatitude · 28/06/2010 18:24

oh I see. You want more feeding.

Not going to happen.

So I suppose we ahve to resign ourselves to you hanging about.

MsGoddess · 28/06/2010 18:16

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Thisisthatvilewoman · 28/06/2010 18:12

You should get it off your public profile.

HerBeatitude · 28/06/2010 18:10

You said if I answered your question, you'd go for good.

Surely you weren't lying?

MsGoddess · 28/06/2010 18:09

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HerBeatitude · 28/06/2010 18:09

Oh foureleven there's no point honestly, she's a troll. She's not here to discuss, she's here to time waste in the heat.

MsGoddess · 28/06/2010 18:07

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foureleven · 28/06/2010 18:05

Are you stalking me msgoddess?

Its not exactly double standards. I did say that IMO it is also wrong the other way around. I was just offering up a counter arguement to those who say 'oh its fine for the male teacher to ogle women with the boys because if it were the other way around no one would care' Im explaining why people care more about this kind of objectification about women than of men, because the issue of disrimination against women need more active challenging at the point society is currently at..

Thisisthatvilewoman · 28/06/2010 18:05

Seriously this woman is an internet idiot without a real life, conjuring fuckwitted ideas is all she does.

Claire Khaw doesn't even have a degree....

MsGoddess · 28/06/2010 17:58

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foureleven · 28/06/2010 17:54

I reckon someones already said it but just to add my twopennies; for those who have said it would be a different story and no one would mind if it had a been a female teachers oggling a male.. In my opinion that would also be wrong but the reason it is slightly more acceptable is because men have not suffered 100s of years of oppression (objectification, lower pay; I wont list it all) So it would be less damaging IMO if this happened the other way around.

Teachers should be actively challenging sexist views about women not encouraging them.

My daughters school has a 4 page long gender equality policy. I wonder if same sex schools have these. If not, I beleive they should.

Thisisthatvilewoman · 28/06/2010 17:50

Calling you a troll because you are one, attacking you personally because you are a disgusting jobless cunt who attacks people in need, the vulnerable. Having you on this forum is an insult to the decent people that post here.

Get a job you sad internet freak.

MsGoddess · 28/06/2010 17:48

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MsGoddess · 28/06/2010 17:44

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Thisisthatvilewoman · 28/06/2010 17:39

"I doubt the vast majority of men see womens bodies as the most important part of them. I don't even think thats what porn is about."

Jesus Christ woman you need help. I'm thinking you have never been in a relationship as you are as ugly on the outside as on the inside....so no man or woman would ever want you.

HerBeatitude · 28/06/2010 17:37

Sorry not you Seth

HerBeatitude · 28/06/2010 17:37

Anyway, you are a troll so i'm going to stop feeding you now.

sethstarkaddersmum · 28/06/2010 17:36

oh you do get the antifeminists turning up from time to time to try and derail. It's only a minority of threads though.

HerBeatitude · 28/06/2010 17:35

oh you just don't get it do you.

I'm not arguing that the way men adn women are attracted to each other is different - you are.

I'm arguing that the social context in which they find each other attractive is different.

It really isn't difficult.

Unless you want to make it difficult.

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