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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Anyone fed-up of current discourse?

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notatradwife · 11/11/2026 18:28

I was watching Sky News earlier and Baroness Casey was discussing the current showbiz sexual predators scandal.

Now Baroness Casey is the Labour Peer who published a mealy-mouthed acceptance that there was an overrepresentation of a certain demographic in grooming gang cases.

One of the things she was pushing on this interview was for the age of statutory rape to come up from 13 to 16. That is all penetrative sexual activity with an under 16 be labelled as "rape" and treated as such legally.

For those who find that wording strange currently the age of consent in this country is in two tiers. Under 13 all penetrative activity by a male (child or otherwise) is rape regardless of the circumstances. So for example one of my school friends first time was with her 12 year old boyfriend, according to the law he is a rapist. It didn't come to the attention of the authorities but if it had it could've been prosecuted depending on a multitude of factors including the opinions of social services, the police, cps or her parents.

Essentially Baroness Casey wants to now extend this legal scenario up to 16 and has made no indications of exceptions to the rule.

Now I strongly agree with age of consent reform in this country and would like to see the AOC extended to 18 with close-in-age safeguards written in (Romeo and Juliet clause). The US has this in many states and their sex crime laws are wholly stricter and more robust than ours.

I just find it bizarre that the Government, to show that it is "serious" about VAWG, wants to label 15 year old or even 18 year old boys as rapists for close in age relationships whilst still allowing predators like Brand and Walliams legal defence to having sex with 17 year old girls whilst in their 30's and beyond without legal recourse.

I also think Baroness Casey has failed to acknowledge that everything those girls in Rotherham and elsewhere went through was illegal and considered a "grave crime", and the issue wasn't the lack of legislation or sufficiently serious language but the fact when it was raised the girls weren't believed, taken seriously or had their experiences minimised or dismissed.

What do you think is causing this skewed approach? Why is there a reluctance to raise the age of consent? Anybody else getting frustrated with the predominant discourse?

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notatradwife · 11/11/2026 18:50

Just to add apparently I have missed that Baroness Casey did suggest a Romeo and Juliet clause. I'll hold my hands up but the main point still stands, why not raise the age of consent? Why are they so determined to allow it to remain legal for grown adults to have sex with 16 and 17 year old children?

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Someonewitha · 11/11/2026 19:30

Why are they so determined to allow it to remain legal for grown adults to have sex with 16 and 17 year old children?

I had fantastic sex at 17 with my 18 year old boyfriend. We were in same year at school. But this would be illegal in your ideal world?

cryupmykingdom · 11/11/2026 19:37

it will not be a popular view, but a 17 year old in many ways, is not a child. (i know that legally, they are)

so. sex with a much older person is going to be in most cases inappropriate.

but there are times the adult might have to fight the 17yo off.

i would want the police to have discretion here, with a relatively senior officer (best if they are a parent) making the call

notatradwife · 11/11/2026 20:01

cryupmykingdom · 11/11/2026 19:37

it will not be a popular view, but a 17 year old in many ways, is not a child. (i know that legally, they are)

so. sex with a much older person is going to be in most cases inappropriate.

but there are times the adult might have to fight the 17yo off.

i would want the police to have discretion here, with a relatively senior officer (best if they are a parent) making the call

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Hard disagree, a 17 year old emotionally is a child trapped in a near adult body

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Someonewitha · 11/11/2026 20:03

notatradwife · 11/11/2026 20:01

Hard disagree, a 17 year old emotionally is a child trapped in a near adult body

I enjoyed sex aged 17 with my 18 year old boyfriend
we were both in year 13 together
illegal?

notatradwife · 11/11/2026 20:10

Someonewitha · 11/11/2026 19:30

Why are they so determined to allow it to remain legal for grown adults to have sex with 16 and 17 year old children?

I had fantastic sex at 17 with my 18 year old boyfriend. We were in same year at school. But this would be illegal in your ideal world?

No of course not, hence a Romeo and Juliet clause. In the same way that I dont think a 16 year old should be criminalised for having sex with his 15 year old girlfriend... I just dont think it should be legal for 34 year old men (or women) to have sex with 16 or 17 year old girls.

We should not be in a situation where it is illegal for a 16 year old to have sex with his 15 year old girlfriend but not for a 30 year old man to have sex with his 16 year old girlfriend (Brand), 34 year old man to have sex with his 17 year old fling (Walliams) or a 37 year old man to have sex with his 17 year old masseuse (Prince Andrew).

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whatnetxtocome · 11/11/2026 20:29

This shit again.

whatnetxtocome · 11/11/2026 20:30

Someonewitha · 11/11/2026 20:03

I enjoyed sex aged 17 with my 18 year old boyfriend
we were both in year 13 together
illegal?

I was 15 my boyfriend was 17 i had a great time from there on.
I was not groomed i agreed i was ready.

Summerylion · 11/11/2026 20:33

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notatradwife · 11/11/2026 20:34

whatnetxtocome · 11/11/2026 20:30

I was 15 my boyfriend was 17 i had a great time from there on.
I was not groomed i agreed i was ready.

Completely illegal currently under British law. Meanwhile Prince Andrew has broken no British laws. Go figure

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whatnetxtocome · 11/11/2026 20:40

notatradwife · 11/11/2026 20:34

Completely illegal currently under British law. Meanwhile Prince Andrew has broken no British laws. Go figure

Im not royalty and the choice i made was my choice.
Decades on still have no regret.
Or am i to hunt him down and have him locked up for it i wouldnt even know him now.

notatradwife · 11/11/2026 20:44

whatnetxtocome · 11/11/2026 20:40

Im not royalty and the choice i made was my choice.
Decades on still have no regret.
Or am i to hunt him down and have him locked up for it i wouldnt even know him now.

the point was the absurdity

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whatnetxtocome · 11/11/2026 21:11

Thread after thread on this crap.

notatradwife · 11/11/2026 21:54

whatnetxtocome · 11/11/2026 21:11

Thread after thread on this crap.

And?

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cryupmykingdom · 11/11/2026 22:10

whatnetxtocome · 11/11/2026 21:11

Thread after thread on this crap.

Is this poster a loon?

TempestTost · 12/11/2026 01:58

I think that it's all over the place because there isn't actually any kind of logical or material principle that's being observed.

Really, if 16 year olds are not capable of consenting to have sex, they shouldn't be allowed to have sex with other 16 year olds either.

As for raising the age of consent to 18. I understand why people want to do it, but I am afraid that it is wholly unrealistic and out of line with human sexual development. And so it will not be very effective.

I also think that a lot of the issues we have around thinking about 16 year olds as little children comes from mot allowing them to do the kinds of things they should be doing. Many are kind of emotionally or experientially stunted.

That being said I think it's perfectly reasonable to encourage kids to wait for a serious relationship before they have sex. I'm just not convinced changing the law will make a significant differernce to anything.

cryupmykingdom · 12/11/2026 02:22

notatradwife · 11/11/2026 20:01

Hard disagree, a 17 year old emotionally is a child trapped in a near adult body

and is this going to stop them having sex?

no

and a law that's disregarded, is a law that's not only a waste of space, it's doing harm to the whole idea of laws

NowSober · 12/11/2026 07:19

Baroness Casey is a crossbench peer so doesn't take the Labour whip..

notatradwife · 12/11/2026 10:51

I dont understand why there's so many people here to defend 16 year olds having sex with men in their 30's

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Ragtoed · 12/11/2026 17:48

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cryupmykingdom · 12/11/2026 20:38

. . . could you be more low-rent ?

Yawn.

Done.

TempestTost · 12/11/2026 22:47

notatradwife · 12/11/2026 10:51

I dont understand why there's so many people here to defend 16 year olds having sex with men in their 30's

No one has done that. Maybe engage with what people have said ?

AmnesiacDream · 12/11/2026 23:47

In terms of minimizing harms, I think Romeo and Juliet laws for people under 18 (maybe even under 20) would great. But we’ve only just got rid of marriage for under 18s, (and Scotland and NI haven’t even done that) so I don’t see much hope.

TonTonMacoute · 12/11/2026 23:54

notatradwife · 11/11/2026 20:01

Hard disagree, a 17 year old emotionally is a child trapped in a near adult body

I believe that the government is currently legislating for 16 year olds to vote. Interested to know your views on that.

2021x · 13/11/2026 00:34

It would be good to discuss relationships between a significantly older partner and someone younger than 21, as I would be keen to hear the dissenting arguments.

Especially from Sam Taylor.

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