How transactivism captured therapy

If I were Bindel I wouldn't be judging therapy, I'd be seeking it….

https://x.com/boreddeleuzian/status/2113594343344964017?s=20

Why just if you were Bindel? Seek it anyway.

I see our friend has got bored of the other trans thread and is popping up on here already 🙄

Good piece by JB. Well said @GreyskySexRealistsky @Twoallbeepattiesspecialsaucelettucecheesepickles please go out and get a hobby other than your only one which you admit is being a ‘debate pervert’🙄

Dunno Julie seems very sane to me, and a lot saner than some delusional bloke who claims changing his name and putting on a dress makes him a women don’t you think? At least her beliefs are rooted in science, sanity and reasonableness.

All over several threads now. Frenzied, frantic, hyper behaviour. Needs therapy urgently in order to unpack the desperate attention seeking.

Quite. Anyway back to the thread.

Therapy knows it can make money off this contagion. Ethical therapists have spoken up but largely seem to be considered bigots. Will read the article properly before commenting further.

Sorry for the derail @lcakethereforeIam.
Thanks for posting this. How utterly frightening that psychologists feel unable to speak out about what's happening.

Quite agree. Julie Bindel’s article should be a sobering read even for the most captured. Thank you for posting it. I like the fact Julie has followed this topic and taken an interest in the ethics in this case of therapy.

It seems quite astonishing that anyone affirming does not take a long hard look at themselves. We have a long way to go but we must keep going to ensure children are not harmed further.

Another thought I have pondered - I am reading The TERF Diaries - where it came up. If ROGD escalated so rapidly in young women as it has over the past 10 years, why has the same not happened in women born in the previous century? Where are all the older women identifying as men?

Thanks for the thread. The article is good and worth reading.

I read Bad Therapy by Abigail Shirier, which was depressing as well. It's mainly focused on the US but as with most things it's been copycatted over here.
I also remember a thread on MN about an ET brought by a loony tune, who gave herself an unpronounceable name beginning with H, who was a CBT therapist.

The dearth of middle aged women going trans is rarely commented on, especially in TRA circles. It’s an interesting, and vey telling, imbalance. The few middle aged transmen I can think of did so when they were much younger, and have somewhat heretical opinions on the contemporary trans movement.

This was interesting from todays Inside Science on R4 about 18 minutes in; asking what if just doing your job leads to being ostracised;
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w3ct978j

A Kiwi female psychologist talking about an article that she wrote questioning the appropriateness of wholesale rejection of the western model of therapy for Māori people. She ended up being cancelled including having the article pulled by the journal editors. Felt like strong parallels with gender ideology for therapists here.

https://senseaboutscience.org/john-maddox-prize/
For candidates who stood up for evidence in the face of professional and social pressure.

It's the Omnicause init, can't question the sacred 'indigenous', not in NZ or Canada. NZ teachers Maori 'other ways of knowing' as an equal alternative to science, earthquakes are caused by one of their gods turning over in his sleep and scratching his arse, and it's as valid an explanation as plate tectonics.

100% this. As a former ‘tomboy’ I’m so glad it wasn’t around when I was a kid.

It's scary that several of the people interviewed say things are getting worse, rather than better, within psychiatry.

Thanks for posting OP, Julie Bindel is so reasonable and diligent in her research, i used to follow her on Substack before Substack became a pit-fight.
This quote, among many, resonates with me. I seriously worry about the brain development issues, there is so much we don't know.
"Puberty is crucial,” he continues, “children build bone mass and [the drugs] suppress growth spurt and skeletal strength. We don’t know yet exactly what effect it has on the brain, but we know it can and does affect functioning. This is unforgivable abuse.”

Meanwhile in Australia, where there are no distinct women in law, another one of the States has just passed an anti- conversion practices Bill (Tasmania) through the lower house, celebrated by our ABC as Wonderful Win for LGBTIQIA+, meanwhile (I shit you not), our completely captured federal government is receiving some well-warranted heat for some guidance on thier "Stop it now" webpage that counsels people with sexual feelings for children to "go for a walk", "do some colouring in", and try "not to picture children while you masterbate".
Gotta wonder about people who can't connect the dots here.
Is it that the reality of this problem is so awful and so huge that people just don't want to see it?
That the people behind this stuff are actively opposed to what little safeguarding there already was in law for women and children, and want to destroy every last lever we had to pull?
I'm seriously losing faith in humanity.

Don’t shoot the messenger.

Couldn’t agree with you more but if you dare ask (obvious) questions like this, you’ll be dismissed with a “oh it’s too complicated to explain”.

Judging by the content of Bindel's article my initial comment stands in terms of her incompetence as an authority on therapy. Anyone with the most basic understanding of the underlying principles that have guided modern therapy for decades now would understand the term patient centred/patient driven therapy as coined by its Pioneer Carl Rogers which is basically a move away from the dictatorial therapist patient relationship to the patient leading that 'affirmation' is a logical conclusion of. 'Affirming' patients is a widely misunderstood (& I suspect wilfully so) term for this reason. Unlike traditional approaches that position the therapist as an authoritative expert who interprets behaviour or diagnoses pathology, person-centered therapy treats the client as the expert on their own life.

Patient-centered gender-affirming care is a collaborative, de-pathologising approach that prioritises a transgender or gender diverse person's autonomy, individual goals, and lived experience which is exactly in accordance with treating other forms of therapeutic needs.

That Bindel characterises a long widely accepted more successful practice of centering patients as 'ideological capture' is not only misinformation but dangerously so because she is falsely publicly maligning the image of a valuable treatment.

The other glaring problem with Bindel's article is her conveniently pro gender critical therapist's experience which she props up as a measure of whether holistic treatments are ethically practiced as a whole. A few biased individuals are hardly in a position to speak on behalf of an entire profession. Anecdotal experience is hardly hard data. Whilst I appreciate that malpractice is a reality of modern medicine it would hardly be exclusive to gender affirming care nor do a few bias experts whose names are withheld get to be an authority on the ubiquity of of it. And weaponising an incompetent underfunded organisation like Tavistock is hardly a fair repudiation of treatment or evidence of malpractice broadly.

So @Twoallbeepattiesspecialsaucelettucecheesepickles what is your view on Sam Hall who doled out PBs and hormones to children without even meeting them? I am asking this question of you, again, because you have now outed yourself as an authority on therapy in addition to gender.

As I have asked - Sam Hall. Your opinion on her as well please?

And as I already told you malpractice is unacceptable. And no, knowing the basics doesn't make me an authority.

@Twoallbeepattiesspecialsaucelettucecheesepickles who mentioned malpractice? She has not been charged with that. I asked your opinion on Sam Hall. You used the term malpractice not me.

I don't know the facts of this case nor whether you are portraying them accurately so I can't comment on it specifically but if what you allege is correct that this individual was not following medical guidelines it sounds like malpractice & should be treated as such according to the law.

If you are asking whether I think its acceptable to issue medication to minors without any consultation obviously its not.

What is your point?

@Twoallbeepattiesspecialsaucelettucecheesepickles my point is you spend 24/7 telling us that trans people know who they are, are real and should be affirmed. You have posted this morning all the faults about Julie Bindel’s article - are you a therapist? Are you a journalist of Julie Bindel’s longstanding. Or, are you as you declared simply a debate pervert. Your words?

Trans is poisonous in everything it touches. It has upended society

Olivia Bailey play faux innocent at the hearing of the Conversion Therapy Bill. She was odious and Dennis K showed her for what she is. A handmaiden for the trans cause.